Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:05 pm
That's like saying, "People are totally dry if they're wet."
If he's free, then by definition, he's not a slave.
If he's a slave, then by definition, he's not free.
If you have to pay for something it’s not free.
Life comes at a price.
Tu dis n'importe quoi.
Your a slave to your emotions that’s all.
How do you know your dog doesn’t secretly hate you, and that it has a real sense of the Stockholm syndrome being in human captivity, after all, it’s still a wild animal at its basic core, else it wouldn’t be peeing up the nearest lamp-post or against someone’s car wheels, or dry humping your guests when they come to visit.
How do you know your dog doesn’t secretly hate you, and that it has a real sense of the Stockholm syndrome being in human captivity, after all, it’s still a wild animal at its basic core, else it wouldn’t be peeing up the nearest lamp-post or against someone’s car wheels, or dry humping your guests when they come to visit.
I think you should be enslaved because you are a waste of space, and I might be able to put you to some use.
I'm sure you don't mind!
and I think your personhood ought be revoked (cuz it's just a legalism, not an inherency, right?): that way your parts can be used to keep worthwhile folks, in need of transplants, alive
and: I'm against slavery, and I've explained why
your turn, if you can (which you can't, so you won't)
I am fully willing to sell myself into slavery at 10 millions dollars if I have an option to buy my way out at 5 million. However, I would like first to assign my personhood to an off-shore trust -- this will involve about 20 thousand dollars of legal work which I will be happy to pay -- before any money changes hands. Then please make the check out to the trust . . .
henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:40 amWhat's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
yep
Can you be against slavery and for taxes?
not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't
You do not have to pay taxes.
You can always leave the country. But whilst you are here , enjoying the protection from the poilce and armed services; and whilst you use the roads and benefit from a massive host of legal and health& safety protections though the legal system you are going to have to pay your fucking taxes.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:14 pm
I am fully willing to sell myself into slavery at 10 millions dollars if I have an option to buy my way out at 5 million.
We're only talking about chattel slavery, Alexis.
You're mixing in the idea of indentured servitude...not at all the same thing. For one thing, there is no "price" paid to a chattel slave...any money exchanges hands between owner and buyer, and the slave sees none of it.
How many of you would willingly change places with women, men or children that are forced into sex trafficking, or change places willingly with women and children who are forced to marry someone without their consent or against their will and how many of you individuals on this forum would change places with human beings who are forced to work under the threat of violence and for no pay.
I am guessing not one of you would change places with any of the above, (willingly, that is).
reasonvemotion wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:38 pm
How many of you would willingly change places with women, men or children that are forced into sex trafficking, or change places willingly with women and children who are forced to marry someone without their consent or against their will and how many of you individuals on this forum would change places with human beings who are forced to work under the threat of violence and for no pay.
I am guessing not one of you would change places with any of the above, (willingly, that is).
Relevance to the question? I can see none.
The question is, "Why is (chattel, i.e. involuntary, forced) slavery wrong (i.e. for the enslaver to do).
Nobody asked if slaves "like" it...of course they don't. That's dead obvious.
But if you're going to say their unhappiness with it constituted proof for the moral wrongness of it, you're going to have to explain why we should think that's so. How do you get that correlation?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:52 pm
The question is, "Why is (chattel, i.e. involuntary, forced) slavery wrong (i.e. for the enslaver to do).
Has anyone here yet sufficiently given you an answer to the question?
