What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
Can you be against slavery and for taxes?
What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
As I had stated your views are narrow, shallow and rhetorical.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:19 amWhat's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
Can you be against slavery and for taxes?
People are born free beings. People are totally free to be slaves.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:40 am What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
yep
Can you be against slavery and for taxes?
not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't
Freedom must be overridden by morality.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:25 amPeople are born free beings. People are totally free to be slaves.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:40 am What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
yep
Can you be against slavery and for taxes?
not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't
There is nothing wrong with you.
If there was something wrong with you, then it would be wrong to impose wrongness on the unborn.
Freedom and Slavery is a ''Belief'' in this conception.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:44 amFreedom must be overridden by morality.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:25 amPeople are born free beings. People are totally free to be slaves.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:40 am What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
yep
Can you be against slavery and for taxes?
not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't
There is nothing wrong with you.
If there was something wrong with you, then it would be wrong to impose wrongness on the unborn.
Slavery [chattel] is morally wrong.
Therefore morally, one cannot have the freedom to be a slave or to enslave, which is the same as no moral freedom to kill humans or be killed.
First it would be a good idea to question one's self as to what is the rationale of morality. Give a reasonable answer to that question, and perhaps we might continue our dialogue.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:06 pmWhat is "rational" about that?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:45 am The most rational bases of morality is our common biology, that which supports life is moral that which negates life in whatever degree is wrong.
I'm not asking because I disagree with "that which supports life is moral . . ." I'm asking because I don't see what's "rational" about it.
Blather!Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:07 amAs I had stated your views are narrow, shallow and rhetorical.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:19 amWhat's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?
Can you be against slavery and for taxes?
ALL humans are evolved with the potential impulse to find similarities and patterns in different things to facilitate survival.
But is it cognitive blindness to be stuck with this similarities impulse most of the time, especially when differentiation in its relevant context is necessary and critical.
On my view morality consists of dispositions towards interpersonal behavior, dispositions of approval/disapproval, etc., that one considers more significant than etiquette. There is no universal "rationale." It's just a way that our brains happen to work.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:05 amFirst it would be a good idea to question one's self as to what is the rationale of morality. Give a reasonable answer to that question, and perhaps we might continue our dialogue.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:06 pmWhat is "rational" about that?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:45 am The most rational bases of morality is our common biology, that which supports life is moral that which negates life in whatever degree is wrong.
I'm not asking because I disagree with "that which supports life is moral . . ." I'm asking because I don't see what's "rational" about it.
That's like saying, "People are totally dry if they're wet."henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:55 pm People are totally free to be slaves
I don't know if that's so
What's your evidence of that?
If you have to pay for something it’s not free.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:05 pmThat's like saying, "People are totally dry if they're wet."henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:55 pm People are totally free to be slaves
I don't know if that's so
If he's free, then by definition, he's not a slave.
If he's a slave, then by definition, he's not free.
Tu dis n'importe quoi.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:38 pmIf you have to pay for something it’s not free.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:05 pmThat's like saying, "People are totally dry if they're wet."henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:55 pm People are totally free to be slaves
I don't know if that's so
If he's free, then by definition, he's not a slave.
If he's a slave, then by definition, he's not free.
Life comes at a price.