What is 'freedom'?

[Dontaskme]

China for example is a successful country because it’s corrupt.

china is in the middle of a great reorganizing: as a nation, and ideologically

state-capitalism is passé: the grand economic success has proven, to the powers that be there, to be culturally eroding

marxism (their variant) is on the rise, openly, overtly, purposefully

as for china's corruption: where's the corruption?

by definition: corruption implies hypocrisy...the chinese have been anything but that

the slaver-state, that openly enslaves is not corrupt: it's just wrong

You are free to speak erroneously.

[Dontaskme]

We don’t trust each other to be honest so we act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain. We have to pay our prices for our choices. If we trusted each other everything we do for others would be done free of charge.

For My Love there is no charge. No one born can love like that… life always comes at a price, a high price usually.

[henry quirk]

China for example is a successful country because it’s corrupt.

china is in the middle of a great reorganizing: as a nation, and ideologically

state-capitalism is passé: the grand economic success has proven, to the powers that be there, to be culturally eroding

marxism (their variant) is on the rise, openly, overtly, purposefully

as for china's corruption: where's the corruption?

by definition: corruption implies hypocrisy...the chinese have been anything but that

the slaver-state, that openly enslaves is not corrupt: it's just wrong

You are free to speak erroneously.

and you, my dear, are, as always, free to speak from ignorance

(might wanna crack open a newspaper from time to time: even the china-lovin' propagandists can't ignore the economic and cultural shifting goin' on right now, over there)

[Dontaskme]

China for example is a successful country because it’s corrupt.

china is in the middle of a great reorganizing: as a nation, and ideologically

state-capitalism is passé: the grand economic success has proven, to the powers that be there, to be culturally eroding

marxism (their variant) is on the rise, openly, overtly, purposefully

as for china's corruption: where's the corruption?

by definition: corruption implies hypocrisy...the chinese have been anything but that

the slaver-state, that openly enslaves is not corrupt: it's just wrong

You are free to speak erroneously.

and you, my dear, are, as always, free to speak from ignorance

(might wanna crack open a newspaper from time to time: even the china-lovin' propagandists can't ignore the economic and cultural shifting goin' on right now, over there)

You are free to think and say whatever you want about anything. Only ignorance is original.

[henry quirk]

Only ignorance is original.

not knowin' is not original: it's commonplace

[Dontaskme]

Only ignorance is original.

not knowin' is not original: it's commonplace

Roger copy that

[popeye1945]

If one is born in a cage it is not a cage to that particular organism, it is the world and one adapts to the world one finds oneself in. True autonomy is freedom, something none of us probably really wants. Society could be thought of as such a cage and for the most part, most of us adapt to it with little thought to its limitations to our freedoms. The goal of life is to reproduce and thrive in the given context of our environment. In the natural world there is no morality, morality occurs within societies large and small, this too is an adaptation. Autonomy and morality are mutually exclusive and we wouldn't want it any other way. A real challenge if your up to it, is to decern how much autonomy you have of your own mind, this too would be limited but the process of examining it would make you wise.

[RCSaunders]

The goal of life is to reproduce and thrive in the given context of our environment. In the natural world there is no morality, ....

I have no use for anything called morality, but all versions imply some kind of values and all values pertain to some objective, purpose, end, or goal. I life itself has a, goal, it is teleological, but I agree, the natural world is not teleological. Nature has no objectives, or purposes relative to which anything has any values.

All values are derived from and are created by human beings which is the only organisms in the universe required by their nature to have values, because they are required to consciously choose their behavior. Sans human beings there are no ends, purposes, goals, or objective, no values, purposes, or meaning--nothing teleological.

Life, itself, cannot have goal.

[bahman]

What does 'freedom' even mean? The 'freedom' to have as short and stressful a life as possible, crammed with grief and misery?
The last time I visited a zoo I saw contented, happy beings who had their every need catered to. A well run and empathetic zoo would be like heaven to our fellow animals. Why would a happy gorilla that has been raised with humans want to be 'returned to the wild' any more than your average human would want to be dumped into the middle of a jungle?

Freedom that is different from free will describes a situation when you have options.