uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:29 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:22 amAll humans are "programmed" with the same
basic brain structures and basic functions.
It looks to me as though you are conflating hardware and software.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:07 amThe basic functions are located in certain specific parts of the brain while some are distributed within different parts.
You should look up neuroplasticity.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:07 amDo you deny all humans has the same very fundamental specific physical neural network for the 4Fs, Food, Fight, Flight and Fuck?
It is the "specific physical" bit I think unlikely. The gist of evolution is that there are certain survival and reproductive adaptations that will make an organism, such as a human being, more likely to produce offspring. You insistence that evolution has resulted in every human being having exactly the same critical physical structures and connections embedded in our brains seems implausible. As I said, it would surprise me if the HCP found this is the case. You on the other hand presume it will.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:07 amThere are also many other basic functions that inherent in all humans i.e. as human nature.
There are also inherent basic functions where they are active in some and not active in the majority.
So you are saying that while everyone has the same circuits, not everyone has the same switches. Are there specific environmental switches?
Note the average human brain has appx 100 billion neurons each with up to 10,000 connectors [synapses]. Just imagine the potential combinations!
I am not saying everyone has the same combination of neural circuits but only they have the same fundamental circuits, e.g. the 4Fs, basic emotions, etc.
E.g. Every human has the same primary emotions [nature] but these are modified by environmental, nurturing and other factors.
Thus every human has the very fundamental circuit pre-programmed "philosophy-circuit" in them which is active in some, less active on the majority.
How this fundamental philosophy-proper impulse is manifested will vary with the nurturing factors.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:07 amFor example note the evolution of living things and humans, there is core trend of one-up better than prior in all living things and very evident in humans.
Evolution is not about reaching some intrinsically 'better' organism. Fundamentally, that is what is wrong with Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch. Should there be, for example, a nuclear war, we will find ourselves poorly adapted to the changing environment whereas cockroaches will fare better.
The basic rule of evolution is merely adaption to survive till the inevitable but it is empirically evident there is a trend of a one-up positive trend within the species along with the negative as well.
You cannot deny the intelligence quotient of the average human has been on an increasing positive trend since 200,000 years ago.
Do you?
There are so many other aspects that has risen on a increasing positive trend since 200,000 years ago. Of course there are its corresponding negative trends as well.
But so far the trend is net-positive otherwise the human species would have been extinct long ago.
I claim this net increasing positive trend is reducible to the inherent 'philosophy-proper' ['program'] within all humans.
Nah, you are too Hitler obsessed on this point with the ubermensch.
There is nothing wrong with the idea of the ubermensch as long as it is taken as
an impossible to achieve ideal but merely to act as a guide or as a lighthouse for human progress driven by the inherent philosophy-proper 'program'.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:07 amThis fundamental
one-up impulse [active in some not so in the majority] for the optimal well being of the individual[s], is the fundamental of philosophy-proper.
That is your story.
What is critical is 'my story' [arguments] is supported by evidence and justifications.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:07 amSince this very basic function, i.e. the fundamental of philosophy-proper is inherent, [like others of the 4Fs], it would not be a problem for the HCP to trace the core neural networks and its connections to other parts of the brain and functions.
You should tell the HCP not to waste their time, since you already know what they will discover.
There is a difference between what can be discovered from discovering the real thing with the potential to put it into practice.
Note this;
Meet the Accidental Genius
In 2002, Jason Padgett was the victim of a vicious beating outside a karaoke bar in Tacoma, Washington.
Upon regaining consciousness, Padgett’s sight was forever altered by a condition called acquired
savant syndrome.
The brain trauma opened his eyes to an entirely new world—one filled with patterns and strobes, like a stop-motion film. This is a fascinating story into the hidden power of the mind and one man’s inspiring tale of courage and personal triumph. The Acquired Savant is a film by Thomas Petersen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6doOmS-eM
Surely we would not want to repeat the above by subjecting people to vicious beating with the hope they become a genius.
With the potential of the HCP, we will be able to know precisely the specific neural connectivities that trigger the accidental genius.
So in the future, with the advances of the HCP we can target the specific development of the average person to be a genius [say IQ of 250 relative to the present state 100].
https://international-iq-test.com/en/
If the average IQ in say 2100 is 250 [genius in 2021], the relative genius level would be 350.
What is more important is for humanity to map out the basic philosophy-proper neural circuit and expedite greater activities for the average person. If the average Philosophy-Quotient of the present is say 50, then we can increase it to 150 in the future based on the progress of the HCP.