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Causality and continuous process
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Yeah, I know.Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:14 pmBut seeds , it was not bahman, it was you who selected these two sentences. Out of all possible sentences you could have set up for comparison you chose two that clash with each other.seeds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:31 amNo, bahman, the paradox (i.e., the "effect") is caused by the contradiction implicit in the pairing of the two sentences. Thus the "contradiction" holds both the cause and its effect at the same point.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:30 am
No, the cause of paradox is the pairing of two sentences. The effect is the paradox itself. Think of it this way, if you don't pair the sentences you don't have any paradox, therefore, pairing them leads to the paradox, which means that the cause is the pairing.
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However, bahman insisted that...
So, for funsies, I am trying to word my rebuttals in such a way where cause and effect might seem a little blurred together when viewed from a particular angle, and thus difficult to know whether I have a valid point or not.
Again, just for funsies, I'm simply trying to give bahman the same sort of hard time that he gives the rest of us in his dogged defense of the dubious premises he often presents in his numerous threads.
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Seeds, if your aim is to show that effects are causes, and causes are effects, then I will back your claim.seeds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:36 pmYeah, I know.
However, bahman insisted that...
So, for funsies, I am trying to word my rebuttals in such a way where cause and effect might seem a little blurred together when viewed from a particular angle, and thus difficult to know whether I have a valid point or not.
Again, just for funsies, I'm simply trying to give bahman the same sort of hard time that he gives the rest of us in his dogged defense of the dubious premises he often presents in his numerous threads.
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If there is a gap between cause and effect then that means that there is an interval that there is no process.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 pmThe cause and effect are not simultaneous. That doesn’t negate the possibility of continuous mess.
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Yes, but it isn’t impossible for there to be no gap.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:25 pmIf there is a gap between cause and effect then that means that there is an interval that there is no process.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 pmThe cause and effect are not simultaneous. That doesn’t negate the possibility of continuous mess.
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If cause and effect are not simultaneous then there is a gap between them. That is certain.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:48 pmYes, but it isn’t impossible for there to be no gap.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:25 pmIf there is a gap between cause and effect then that means that there is an interval that there is no process.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 pm
The cause and effect are not simultaneous. That doesn’t negate the possibility of continuous mess.
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No, they can abutt one another.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:49 pmIf cause and effect are not simultaneous then there is a gap between them. That is certain.
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But the force of gravity is a cause of events.The cause and effect cannot lay at the same point. Therefore, the effect comes after the cause. Therefore, there is no continuous causal chain.
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Gravity is nothing more than the exchange of graviton between two objects. It takes time that a graviton to travel from one object to another one.
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Okay, but heavier than air things falling down is a more regular cause than otherwise.Heavier than air thing falling down is as much a cause of a broken wine glass as is my being temporarily drunk. My point is that some causes endure over and are partial causes of many events.
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I cannot understand what you are talking about.Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:37 pmOkay, but heavier than air things falling down is a more regular cause than otherwise.Heavier than air thing falling down is as much a cause of a broken wine glass as is my being temporarily drunk. My point is that some causes endure over and are partial causes of many events.