We are talking about the motion of an object rather than the distance from an object. Moreover, an object looks solid but that is mostly empty space.simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:36 pmExperience is the ONLY thing you can rely on [but you must have the correct expectations], e.g., reality is relative to the distance you are from an object of interest.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:54 pmMy point was that we cannot rely on experience. What it appears and what is real could be different things.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:41 pm
When a film is moving, it appears to be moving. When the film is not moving, it appears to be a series of individual frames.
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Are you AWARE that this CLAIM of yours here ACTUALLY MEANS that what you experience, that is; "motion is not continuous", is NOT proof of "non continuous motion"?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:30 pmWhat you experience is not proof of continuous motion.
If you were NOT, then you are NOW.
The example of 'film' is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS AND USELESS, for you, as 'film' is CONNECTED TOGETHER, and is thus CONTINUOUS.
So, ANY example of 'film' ACTUALLY works AGAINST your BELIEF and CLAIMS here.
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Besides in your imagination, WHERE IS, and WHAT IS, this "grid" that the earth, supposedly, "moves on"?
WHERE ARE, and WHAT ARE, these "two points", which are supposedly "very small"?
Also, would you not meant to be claiming that there is a "small distance" between "two points" where the earth JUMPS from "one point" to "another point", that is; if you were really 'trying to' come up with some sort of theory for your CLAIM that "motion is discrete"?
Because what you are saying here is CERTAINLY NOT backing up NOR supporting YOUR CLAIM here.
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HOW MANY TIMES, and by HOW MANY PEOPLE, do you have to be TOLD by before you become INFORMED that just because you provide a so-called "argument" this does NOT mean that your "argument" has absolutely ANY substance AT ALL.
Look, if your "argument" is NOT a sound and valid argument, then there is NOTHING REALLY to counter. When your "argument" is NOT valid and sound, which they are OBVIOUSLY NOT here, then your "arguments" are NOT even worth repeating, as they are FAULTY all by themselves.
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The continuous motion requires that the motion occurs at now which this requires that cause and effect lay at the same instant so-called now. We agree that cause and effect cannot be simultaneous therefore we are dealing with a discrete process.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:21 pmI see you’re saying not that gaps are possible but that they are certain. If you explain how that is so, you will have convinced me that I have been wrong.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:51 pmNo, I posited that the gap between cause and effect is certain if cause and effect are not simultaneous.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pm
You posited that gaps are possible, but not that the absence of a gap is impossible.
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You are 'done' BECAUSE your "arguments" are FAULTY. So, you have absolutely NOTHING MORE of ANY substance to present in regards to your CLAIM here.
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Just google neural net. Case closed.Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:49 pmONCE AGAIN, you 'TRY TO' DETRACT from what thee ACTUAL QUESTION was asking.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:04 pmYes, it is only a definition.Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:00 am
Is that thee One and ONLY definition?
Also, and ONCE AGAIN, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is that while a human being has and holds a BELIEF, then they are NOT OPEN to SEEING what thee ACTUAL Reality IS, around them.
I asked you a CLARIFYING QUESTION, so do you KNOW WHY you did NOT answer it?
YOUR definition was OBVIOUSLY 'only a definition', but was it thee One and ONLY definition?
And, YOUR definition, which is 'only a definition' is NOT thee definition that MOST people use.
Also, noted is you did NOT answer my CLARIFYING QUESTION posed to you here.This OBVIOUSLY is a complete and utter False, Wrong, AND Incorrect CLAIM of yours here.
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WHAT 'grid'?
Cause and effect ACTUALLY SUPPORTS and PROVES 'continuous motion', while rejecting and refuting ANY NOTION or IDEA about "non continuous motion".
WHAT, EXACTLY, SUPPOSEDLY can NOT lay at 'some point'?
WHAT 'point' are you referring to, EXACTLY? And,
'That point' in relation to what, EXACTLY?
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It does NOT, as SHOWN and PROVEN True ALREADY, in EVERY thread.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:32 pmIt does as I elaborated in another thread.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:29 pmThe cause and effect are unique events. One follows the other sequentially. This doesn’t make continuousness impossible.
Also, you were previously asked; Can you tell me something that is NOT in continuous motion?
Have you answered this CLARIFYING QUESTION already?
If no, then WHY NOT?
If yes, then WHERE?
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"bahman" just put forward an idea that gaps are possible, BUT has NO where provided absolutely ANY supporting evidence of how 'gaps' could even be a possibility, let alone what ACTUALLY exists.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pmYou posited that gaps are possible, but not that the absence of a gap is impossible.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:32 pmIt does as I elaborated in another thread.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:29 pm
The cause and effect are unique events. One follows the other sequentially. This doesn’t make continuousness impossible.
One only has to LOOK AT what ACTUALLY EXISTS to SEE, without doubt, that there are NO 'gaps' ANYWHERE.
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And what can be OBVIOUSLY SEEN, and VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY by the way, that when a film is not moving is a series of individual frames, which are LINKED TOGETHER, without ANY 'gaps' ANYWHERE.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:41 pmWhen a film is moving, it appears to be moving. When the film is not moving, it appears to be a series of individual frames.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:53 pmSo a film is continuous?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:48 pm
One can only rely on what is experienced, and trust that it’s consistent with the majority of others.
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Motion is either discrete or continuous. There is no other option.Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:54 pmAre you AWARE that this CLAIM of yours here ACTUALLY MEANS that what you experience, that is; "motion is not continuous", is NOT proof of "non continuous motion"?
If you were NOT, then you are NOW.
But the experience you have when you watch a film is an illusion. The reality is that the film is discrete.
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But absolutely EVERY thing does happen in the NOW, HERE.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:51 pmNo, I posited that the gap between cause and effect is certain if cause and effect are not simultaneous.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pmYou posited that gaps are possible, but not that the absence of a gap is impossible.
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The grid that any moving object jumps from one point to another point.
Realy? Can cause and effect lay at the same time?
I am referring to the same point at a time.