As you would like to believe.
Continuous motion possible or impossible
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Can you REALLY NOT SEE what thee ACTUAL QUESTION is asking for, or do you just PURPOSELY DEFLECT?
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How COULD an 'effect' have actually occurred, if there was NO 'cause'?
Cause AND effect BOTH occur here NOW. As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True.
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I HAVE, and that is HOW and WHY I came to REALIZE that a 'roll of film' has NO 'gaps', and thus IS, literally, CONTINUOUS. Which, completely AND utterly, REFUTES what you are 'TRYING' so hard to CLAIM here is true.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:47 pmWhat I said is very relevant. You need to think through.Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:43 pmSo what?This is only MORE of your DISTRACTION TACTICS to take the reader AWAY from the Fact that you are completely and utterly UNABLE to answer the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed to you Honestly, because if you did, then you would REFUTE what you have been saying and CLAIMING here.
You have NOT provided ANY proof AT ALL that motion is discrete, while absolutely EVERY thing within thee Universe, Itself, and even the WHOLE Universe, Itself, PROVES that motion is continuous. And, could NEVER be ANY other way.But the 'film' IS NOT discrete. As IS PROVEN when one LOOKS AT the 'film'.
All one HAS TO DO to SEE this Fact is just obtain a 'film', rolled it out in front of you, LOOK AT the individual frames before you and what can be CLEARLY SEEN is that ALL of those frames are JOINED TOGETHER. There are NO ACTUAL 'gaps' ANYWHERE. The 'roll of film' is LITERALLY one CONTINUOUS roll.
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OBVIOUSLY I am wrong here. This is because you REALLY are NOT YET 'done', in 'TRYING TO', convince me that 'motion' is NO continuous.
As for your fallacious arguments, then they SPEAK for themselves.
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Not just 'can' cause and effect lay at the same place AND moment, cause and effect ONLY ACTUALLY happens AND occurs this way. As evidenced AND PROVEN True by the WHOLE Universe, Itself.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:02 am
Realy? Can cause and effect lay at the same time?
I asked you THREE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS here, but because of your INABILITIES you were ONLY able to respond the way you have here, and not actually CLARIFY ANY one of those questions.
Well I will refer to the same point at a time. Therefore, this PROVES that 'motion' IS continuous, correct?
Now, if what I said here is NOT correct, then WHY would what you said here be, supposedly, correct?
If the cause and effect lay at the same instant in time then what is the use of cause?
1. 'Time' is NOT actually what you ASSUME and/or BELIEVE it is.
2. Cause AND effect happen AND occur at NOW, which is ALSO in 'continuous motion'. Just like EVERY thing else IS.
3. The 'use' of 'cause' is to create an 'effect'. Obviously, if there was NO 'cause', then there would be NO 'effect', NOR, in other words, 'A CHANGE'. Which, obviously, THERE IS.
This is NOT about what 'I' NOR 'you' have, but about what ACTUALLY occurs AND happens, which is; There exists a continuous cause AND a continuous effect. Which is also known as evolution, or change, which are BOTH, obviously, ALSO continuous ALWAYS at and in the HERE-NOW.
And, this can NOT be refuted as this is what IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY True, Right, Accurate, AND Correct. As has ALREADY been PROVED True.
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As 'what', what I SUPPOSEDLY would like to believe?
Do you NOT think that two 'human beings' 'trying to' 'argue' for their position by saying things like:
Human being 1. "Any motion is not continuous."
Human being 2. ''Motion', itself, IS continuous.'
is NOT RIDICULOUS?
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Re-read my post. Explain how that one thing works and you will have converted me to believing your claim. Nothing else will do the same. Don’t tell me how something else doesn’t work. Don’t assume that a previous agreement still stands. The ball is in your court now.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:04 pmThe continuous motion requires that the motion occurs at now which this requires that cause and effect lay at the same instant so-called now. We agree that cause and effect cannot be simultaneous therefore we are dealing with a discrete process.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:21 pmI see you’re saying not that gaps are possible but that they are certain. If you explain how that is so, you will have convinced me that I have been wrong.
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There are two types of motion, discrete and continuous, the earlier has gap and the latter is gapless. Once it is shown that continuous motion is logically impossible then we are left by discrete motion.commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:10 pmRe-read my post. Explain how that one thing works and you will have converted me to believing your claim. Nothing else will do the same. Don’t tell me how something else doesn’t work. Don’t assume that a previous agreement still stands. The ball is in your court now.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:04 pmThe continuous motion requires that the motion occurs at now which this requires that cause and effect lay at the same instant so-called now. We agree that cause and effect cannot be simultaneous therefore we are dealing with a discrete process.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:21 pm
I see you’re saying not that gaps are possible but that they are certain. If you explain how that is so, you will have convinced me that I have been wrong.
Moreover, what is the implication of the fact that cause comes before effect?
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That was my reply to age.
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Everything that happens, happens now. There are no events that actually take place before now for those are only memories of things that happened during a previous now; nor after now because those are only expectations for what may happen during a later now.
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So cause and effect are simultaneous?commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:29 pmEverything that happens, happens now. There are no events that actually take place before now for those are only memories of things that happened during a previous now; nor after now because those are only expectations for what may happen during a later now.