Continuous motion possible or impossible

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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:51 pm
simplicity wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:36 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:54 pm
My point was that we cannot rely on experience. What it appears and what is real could be different things.
Experience is the ONLY thing you can rely on [but you must have the correct expectations], e.g., reality is relative to the distance you are from an object of interest.
We are talking about the motion of an object rather than the distance from an object. Moreover, an object looks solid but that is mostly empty space.
Close enough, you will see constant motion. Far enough away, it ceases to exist. Distance is THE KEY to all things in the physical universe.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:17 pm
Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:12 am
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:37 pm
If the effect is there at now then there is no need for a cause at now.
Can you REALLY NOT SEE what thee ACTUAL QUESTION is asking for, or do you just PURPOSELY DEFLECT?
As usual, you don't understand the implication of my answer.
LOL Talk about who is NOT SEEING the IMPLICATIONS of one's answer.

Did you even SEE what my question was asking for?

I will give you a CLUE, it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the answer you provided.

So, as usual, you did NOT even understand the ACTUAL question I posed to you.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:48 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:17 pm
Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:12 am

Can you REALLY NOT SEE what thee ACTUAL QUESTION is asking for, or do you just PURPOSELY DEFLECT?
As usual, you don't understand the implication of my answer.
LOL Talk about who is NOT SEEING the IMPLICATIONS of one's answer.

Did you even SEE what my question was asking for?

I will give you a CLUE, it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the answer you provided.

So, as usual, you did NOT even understand the ACTUAL question I posed to you.
By we, I meant me and commonsense.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:37 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:29 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:18 pm
That is your problem.


That is your problem to understand that it is impossible.
Everything that happens, happens now. There are no events that actually take place before now for those are only memories of things that happened during a previous now; nor after now because those are only expectations for what may happen during a later now.
So cause and effect are simultaneous?
Not at all. Now is continuous, so cause and effect are, too.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:13 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:37 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:29 pm

Everything that happens, happens now. There are no events that actually take place before now for those are only memories of things that happened during a previous now; nor after now because those are only expectations for what may happen during a later now.
So cause and effect are simultaneous?
Not at all. Now is continuous, so cause and effect are, too.
But that is not the point whether cause and effect are continuous. The point is whether effect comes after cause.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:48 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:17 pm
Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:12 am

Can you REALLY NOT SEE what thee ACTUAL QUESTION is asking for, or do you just PURPOSELY DEFLECT?
As usual, you don't understand the implication of my answer.
LOL Talk about who is NOT SEEING the IMPLICATIONS of one's answer.

Did you even SEE what my question was asking for?

I will give you a CLUE, it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the answer you provided.

So, as usual, you did NOT even understand the ACTUAL question I posed to you.
What are you talking about? Is it something I said?
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:26 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:10 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:04 pm
The continuous motion requires that the motion occurs at now which this requires that cause and effect lay at the same instant so-called now. We agree that cause and effect cannot be simultaneous therefore we are dealing with a discrete process.
Re-read my post. Explain how that one thing works and you will have converted me to believing your claim. Nothing else will do the same. Don’t tell me how something else doesn’t work. Don’t assume that a previous agreement still stands. The ball is in your court now.
There are two types of motion, discrete and continuous, the earlier has gap and the latter is gapless. Once it is shown that continuous motion is logically impossible then we are left by discrete motion.

Moreover, what is the implication of the fact that cause comes before effect?
The implication is that time doesn’t behave in the way you think.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:18 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:13 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:37 pm
So cause and effect are simultaneous?
Not at all. Now is continuous, so cause and effect are, too.
But that is not the point whether cause and effect are continuous. The point is whether effect comes after cause.
What part does time play in continuity if not everything?
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:36 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:18 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:13 pm

Not at all. Now is continuous, so cause and effect are, too.
But that is not the point whether cause and effect are continuous. The point is whether effect comes after cause.
What part does time play in continuity if not everything?
Time changes so it follows the same principle. It is discrete.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:46 am
commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:36 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:18 pm
But that is not the point whether cause and effect are continuous. The point is whether effect comes after cause.
What part does time play in continuity if not everything?
Time changes so it follows the same principle. It is discrete.
Non sequitor
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:02 pm
Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:48 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:17 pm
As usual, you don't understand the implication of my answer.
LOL Talk about who is NOT SEEING the IMPLICATIONS of one's answer.

Did you even SEE what my question was asking for?

I will give you a CLUE, it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the answer you provided.

So, as usual, you did NOT even understand the ACTUAL question I posed to you.
By we, I meant me and commonsense.
AS USUAL, you STILL did NOT SEE, thus STILL do NOT YET understand, the ACTUAL question I posed to you.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:18 pm
Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:16 am
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:37 pm
If the effect is there at now then there is no need for a cause at now.
How COULD an 'effect' have actually occurred, if there was NO 'cause'?
That is your problem.
So, I ask you a CLARIFYING QUESTION, which you OBVIOUSLY did NOT answer, but then you want to CLAIM that this is "my problem". Look, you are the one making A CLAIM here, but if you can NOT back up and support that CLAIM, by CLARIFYING what you say and CLAIM, then some call that "your problem".

Also, talk about ANOTHER attempt at DEFLECTION.
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:18 pm
Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:16 am Cause AND effect BOTH occur here NOW. As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True.
That is your problem to understand that it is impossible.
LOL
LOL
LOL AGAIN.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:26 pm
commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:10 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:04 pm
The continuous motion requires that the motion occurs at now which this requires that cause and effect lay at the same instant so-called now. We agree that cause and effect cannot be simultaneous therefore we are dealing with a discrete process.
Re-read my post. Explain how that one thing works and you will have converted me to believing your claim. Nothing else will do the same. Don’t tell me how something else doesn’t work. Don’t assume that a previous agreement still stands. The ball is in your court now.
There are two types of motion, discrete and continuous, the earlier has gap and the latter is gapless. Once it is shown that continuous motion is logically impossible then we are left by discrete motion.
And, what we are WAITING FOR is for you to SHOW that 'continuous motion' is 'logically impossible', and to speed this process up we have been asking you to SHOW this. Sometimes with VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS and at other times with CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. But, we are STILL WAITING.
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:26 pm Moreover, what is the implication of the fact that cause comes before effect?
1. I do NOT draw conclusions from what is not explicitly stated. And, you have NOT explicitly stated HOW motion could be discrete.

2. The action, or state of being, involved with 'cause' coming BEFORE 'effect' is 'effect comes AFTER 'cause. BUT, this does NOT take away from the Fact that this can and does happen HERE-NOW, ALWAYS, in One continuous-motion, or constant-change.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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simplicity wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:57 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:51 pm
simplicity wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:36 pm
Experience is the ONLY thing you can rely on [but you must have the correct expectations], e.g., reality is relative to the distance you are from an object of interest.
We are talking about the motion of an object rather than the distance from an object. Moreover, an object looks solid but that is mostly empty space.
Close enough, you will see constant motion. Far enough away, it ceases to exist. Distance is THE KEY to all things in the physical universe.
So what if 'it' ceases to exist?

The process of 'ceasing to exist' happens in a state of CONSTANT-CHANGE, or in a continuous motion. Besides human observation, there is NO gaps NOR stop-start process. Unless, OF COURSE, you can and WILL PROVE otherwise.
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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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commonsense wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:20 pm
Age wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:48 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:17 pm
As usual, you don't understand the implication of my answer.
LOL Talk about who is NOT SEEING the IMPLICATIONS of one's answer.

Did you even SEE what my question was asking for?

I will give you a CLUE, it had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the answer you provided.

So, as usual, you did NOT even understand the ACTUAL question I posed to you.
What are you talking about? Is it something I said?
No there is nothing you said here. I was just talking to "bahman".
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