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Re: Continuous motion possible or impossible

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simplicity wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:36 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:54 pm
commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:41 pm

When a film is moving, it appears to be moving. When the film is not moving, it appears to be a series of individual frames.
My point was that we cannot rely on experience. What it appears and what is real could be different things.
Experience is the ONLY thing you can rely on [but you must have the correct expectations], e.g., reality is relative to the distance you are from an object of interest.
We are talking about the motion of an object rather than the distance from an object. Moreover, an object looks solid but that is mostly empty space.
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bahman wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:30 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:24 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:30 pm
Continuous motion, in general, is impossible, including changes in time.
There is nothing you can see; nothing you can know; and nothing you have experienced that is motionless.
i.e. stillness is impossible

Everything in the universe is in motion.
What you experience is not proof of continuous motion.
Are you AWARE that this CLAIM of yours here ACTUALLY MEANS that what you experience, that is; "motion is not continuous", is NOT proof of "non continuous motion"?

If you were NOT, then you are NOW.
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:04 pm Remember the example of film.
The example of 'film' is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS AND USELESS, for you, as 'film' is CONNECTED TOGETHER, and is thus CONTINUOUS.

So, ANY example of 'film' ACTUALLY works AGAINST your BELIEF and CLAIMS here.
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bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:54 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:18 am
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:30 pm
What you experience is not proof of continuous motion. Remember the example of film.
As the earth revolves you are an idiot.
Yes, but it moves on a grid where the distance between two points is very small.
Besides in your imagination, WHERE IS, and WHAT IS, this "grid" that the earth, supposedly, "moves on"?

WHERE ARE, and WHAT ARE, these "two points", which are supposedly "very small"?

Also, would you not meant to be claiming that there is a "small distance" between "two points" where the earth JUMPS from "one point" to "another point", that is; if you were really 'trying to' come up with some sort of theory for your CLAIM that "motion is discrete"?

Because what you are saying here is CERTAINLY NOT backing up NOR supporting YOUR CLAIM here.
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bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:42 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:39 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:00 pm
So that is your counterargument? :mrgreen:
A counter argument is not required when no argument of substance has been presented.
But I have a few arguments against the continuous motion: 1) The OP, 2) here, etc.
HOW MANY TIMES, and by HOW MANY PEOPLE, do you have to be TOLD by before you become INFORMED that just because you provide a so-called "argument" this does NOT mean that your "argument" has absolutely ANY substance AT ALL.

Look, if your "argument" is NOT a sound and valid argument, then there is NOTHING REALLY to counter. When your "argument" is NOT valid and sound, which they are OBVIOUSLY NOT here, then your "arguments" are NOT even worth repeating, as they are FAULTY all by themselves.
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commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:21 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:51 pm
commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pm

You posited that gaps are possible, but not that the absence of a gap is impossible.
No, I posited that the gap between cause and effect is certain if cause and effect are not simultaneous.
I see you’re saying not that gaps are possible but that they are certain. If you explain how that is so, you will have convinced me that I have been wrong.
The continuous motion requires that the motion occurs at now which this requires that cause and effect lay at the same instant so-called now. We agree that cause and effect cannot be simultaneous therefore we are dealing with a discrete process.
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bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:36 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:23 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:21 pm
That is your counterargument? :mrgreen:
A counter argument is not required when no argument of substance has been presented.
I am done with you.
You are 'done' BECAUSE your "arguments" are FAULTY. So, you have absolutely NOTHING MORE of ANY substance to present in regards to your CLAIM here.
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Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:49 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:04 pm
Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:00 am

Is that thee One and ONLY definition?

Also, and ONCE AGAIN, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is that while a human being has and holds a BELIEF, then they are NOT OPEN to SEEING what thee ACTUAL Reality IS, around them.

I asked you a CLARIFYING QUESTION, so do you KNOW WHY you did NOT answer it?
Yes, it is only a definition.
ONCE AGAIN, you 'TRY TO' DETRACT from what thee ACTUAL QUESTION was asking.

YOUR definition was OBVIOUSLY 'only a definition', but was it thee One and ONLY definition?

And, YOUR definition, which is 'only a definition' is NOT thee definition that MOST people use.

Also, noted is you did NOT answer my CLARIFYING QUESTION posed to you here.
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:04 pm Your questions are completely irrelevant to the topic.
This OBVIOUSLY is a complete and utter False, Wrong, AND Incorrect CLAIM of yours here.
Just google neural net. Case closed.
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bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:11 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:07 pm
You are hopeless as usual. :mrgreen:
And yet you are still moving
Sure, but I am moving on a grid.
WHAT 'grid'?
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm Cause and effect.
Cause and effect ACTUALLY SUPPORTS and PROVES 'continuous motion', while rejecting and refuting ANY NOTION or IDEA about "non continuous motion".
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm Remember, they cannot lay at the same point.
WHAT, EXACTLY, SUPPOSEDLY can NOT lay at 'some point'?

WHAT 'point' are you referring to, EXACTLY? And,

'That point' in relation to what, EXACTLY?
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bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:32 pm
commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:29 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:42 pm
But I have a few arguments against the continuous motion: 1) The OP, 2) here, etc.
The cause and effect are unique events. One follows the other sequentially. This doesn’t make continuousness impossible.
It does as I elaborated in another thread.
It does NOT, as SHOWN and PROVEN True ALREADY, in EVERY thread.

Also, you were previously asked; Can you tell me something that is NOT in continuous motion?

Have you answered this CLARIFYING QUESTION already?

If no, then WHY NOT?

If yes, then WHERE?
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commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:32 pm
commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:29 pm

The cause and effect are unique events. One follows the other sequentially. This doesn’t make continuousness impossible.
It does as I elaborated in another thread.
You posited that gaps are possible, but not that the absence of a gap is impossible.
"bahman" just put forward an idea that gaps are possible, BUT has NO where provided absolutely ANY supporting evidence of how 'gaps' could even be a possibility, let alone what ACTUALLY exists.

One only has to LOOK AT what ACTUALLY EXISTS to SEE, without doubt, that there are NO 'gaps' ANYWHERE.
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commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:41 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:53 pm
commonsense wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:48 pm

One can only rely on what is experienced, and trust that it’s consistent with the majority of others.
So a film is continuous?
When a film is moving, it appears to be moving. When the film is not moving, it appears to be a series of individual frames.
And what can be OBVIOUSLY SEEN, and VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY by the way, that when a film is not moving is a series of individual frames, which are LINKED TOGETHER, without ANY 'gaps' ANYWHERE.
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Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:54 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:30 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:24 pm

There is nothing you can see; nothing you can know; and nothing you have experienced that is motionless.
i.e. stillness is impossible

Everything in the universe is in motion.
What you experience is not proof of continuous motion.
Are you AWARE that this CLAIM of yours here ACTUALLY MEANS that what you experience, that is; "motion is not continuous", is NOT proof of "non continuous motion"?

If you were NOT, then you are NOW.
Motion is either discrete or continuous. There is no other option.
Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:54 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:04 pm Remember the example of film.
The example of 'film' is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS AND USELESS, for you, as 'film' is CONNECTED TOGETHER, and is thus CONTINUOUS.

So, ANY example of 'film' ACTUALLY works AGAINST your BELIEF and CLAIMS here.
But the experience you have when you watch a film is an illusion. The reality is that the film is discrete.
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Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:07 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:36 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:23 pm

A counter argument is not required when no argument of substance has been presented.
I am done with you.
You are 'done' BECAUSE your "arguments" are FAULTY. So, you have absolutely NOTHING MORE of ANY substance to present in regards to your CLAIM here.
I am done with you.
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bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:51 pm
commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:32 pm
It does as I elaborated in another thread.
You posited that gaps are possible, but not that the absence of a gap is impossible.
No, I posited that the gap between cause and effect is certain if cause and effect are not simultaneous.
But absolutely EVERY thing does happen in the NOW, HERE.
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Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:12 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:11 pm

And yet you are still moving
Sure, but I am moving on a grid.
WHAT 'grid'?
The grid that any moving object jumps from one point to another point.
Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:12 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm Cause and effect.
Cause and effect ACTUALLY SUPPORTS and PROVES 'continuous motion', while rejecting and refuting ANY NOTION or IDEA about "non continuous motion".
Realy? Can cause and effect lay at the same time?

Age wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:12 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:21 pm Remember, they cannot lay at the same point.
WHAT, EXACTLY, SUPPOSEDLY can NOT lay at 'some point'?

WHAT 'point' are you referring to, EXACTLY? And,

'That point' in relation to what, EXACTLY?
I am referring to the same point at a time.
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