Then how do 'you', the human being, KNOW that 'it' even exists at all?
Are 'you', "bahman", a human being?
If yes, then HOW did 'you' come to experience this OTHER universe, which 'you' can NOT experience?
But if 'you', "bahman", are NOT a human being, then who and/or what are 'you', EXACTLY?
No, I didn't experience other universes but they could exist. The universe with a higher dimension which contains our universe or the universe which are causally independent of ours.
What does the word 'universe' actually mean or refer to, to you?
A collection of objects that are causally related.
Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:27 pm
And I have ALREADY PROVED IRREFUTABLY True, to you, that there IS NOT and NEVER even could be ANY "other universes". But, if you can NOT YET understand this Fact, then 'we' will HAVE TO FIND OTHER WAYS to help 'you' to SEE and UNDERSTAND what thee ACTUAL Truth IS here "bahman".
Where is your proof that there are no other universes?
1. The size and dimension of this one and ONLY Universe.
What is the size and dimension of our universe?
Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:27 pm
2. EXACTLY what the word 'Universe' refers to.
Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:27 pm
"our universe" is NOT EVEN a Correct and Accurate phrase or term. Let alone have absolutely ANY thing to do with what thee One and ONLY ACTUAL Truth IS here. So, you can disagree until the day that little old body stops breathing and pumping blood. But if 'you' can NOT even USE the Correct and Right True terms and phrases, to begin with, then 'you' will NEVER come to KNOW what thee One and ONLY ACTUAL Truth IS.
In "bahman's" own 'little world' it may be ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY True that "bahman's" and "some other's" universe is NOT eternal, and thus had NO beginning. But that is just that "little universe" ONLY, which OBVIOUSLY has NO bearing AT ALL on what ACTUALLY HAPPENS and OCCURS in thee One and ONLY Universe, in which absolutely EVERY thing exists.
As I mentioned the universe is not eternal.
You NEVER mentioned that here. As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True, by your OWN words here.
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:26 pm This is the subject of another thread so feel free to open another thread and discuss your idea there. Off-topic.
So, you discuss these things SOME times, and you even START these discussions SOME times but when we delve into them and SEE that they are ILLOGICAL you turn to the "off topic" remark, and ONLY when you think that is suits you.
Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:27 pm
But I do NOT need a proof for the Fact that thee One and ONLY Universe IS eternal AND infinite. That is just the way 'things' ARE. Oh, and by the way, I NEVER needed proof for that NOR ANY thing else is because I neither BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY thing is true. So, I do NOT seek NOR need PROOF. I just use what IS, ALREADY, for PROOF. As, what IS SPEAKS for Itself, anyway.
No, you need a proof. Why our physical universe is infinite?
WHY THEE Universe is infinite is because of WHAT EXACTLY the Universe is, fundamentally, made up of AND because of HOW THEE Universe, actually, works.
Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:27 pm
And, I could also ACCUSE 'you' of being HOPELESS because I BELIEVE, without ACTUAL PROOF, that you can NOT understand some thing, AS WELL.
But for ANY one to even ATTEMPT to do this just SHOWS and REVEALS the IMMATURITY and STUPIDITY of that one, so I would NEVER do such a thing as you have done here.
By the way, WHAT 'conflict of interest' are you referring to here, EXACTLY?
And, HOW could ANY 'conflict of interest' STOP 'cause AND effect' from continually occurring and happening?
This we already discussed. When there are options in the system then there is a conflict of interest.
SO WHAT?
Cause AND effect IS CONTINUOUS, no matter how many 'conflicts of interests' occur.
No, that is incorrect. I discussed this in this thread.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:59 pm
What causes volition?
The volition is caused by the mind, the mind being an irreducible substance.
Is 'volition' absolutely free and uninfluenced or is 'it' caused and created by some thing else?
We have two type of decisions, conditional and free. Free decision independent of anything but mind.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:16 am
If 'mind' is a substance, then it is part of 'cause and effect', and if 'volition' is caused by the 'irreducible substance mind' thingy, then 'volition' is actually just another part of 'cause and effect'.
No, the mind cannot be caused since otherwise you end up with regress.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:59 pm
Then you have contradicted yourself once again.
Not when choice matters. Otherwise, things are fully deterministic.
But ALL choices can only be based upon deterministic factors anyway, obviously.
That is not correct. The chain of causality is like when you walk on a road. It is only one way that you can proceed. Options is like when the road forks. So you have to decide which way to take. Once you decide then everything becomes deterministic until you reach other options.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:59 pm
Then you have contradicted yourself once again.
Not when choice matters. Otherwise, things are fully deterministic.
What makes you say that?
A chain of causality is like a line, cause and effect follow each other. Options are like when a chain of causality forks so you have to decide which way to take before you start on another chain of causality.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:54 pm
Tut tut.
What nonsense. How do people change their minds?
People change their thought, opinion, etc.
HOW??
Can't you read?
How? By facing a new opinion that explains reality better. It is like choosing when a chain of causality forks. So you have two options one looks more correct and another one does not. So you accept the first one.
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:34 pm
People change their thought, opinion, etc.
HOW??
Can't you read?
How? By facing a new opinion that explains reality better. It is like choosing when a chain of causality forks. So you have two options one looks more correct and another one does not. So you accept the first one.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:16 pm
HOW??
Can't you read?
How? By facing a new opinion that explains reality better. It is like choosing when a chain of causality forks. So you have two options one looks more correct and another one does not. So you accept the first one.
Upon WHAT do you base your choice?
I already mentioned. The base for accepting an opinion is whether the opinion looks more correct, explains reality better for example.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:04 am
P1 is self-explanatory.
Reality is ALL that exists.
It is supported by my earlier syllogism, i.e.
1. Reality is all there is.
2.The human mind is intricately linked to all within all there is.
3. Therefore the human mind cannot be independent for whatever things are in reality.
Your conclusion in the second syllogism "the human mind cannot be independent for whatever things are in reality" is different from P1 in the first syllogism "Reality as all-there-is cannot be independent of human minds".
My reinforced second P1 included P3 of the first syllogism.
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:25 pm
How? By facing a new opinion that explains reality better. It is like choosing when a chain of causality forks. So you have two options one looks more correct and another one does not. So you accept the first one.
Upon WHAT do you base your choice?
I already mentioned. The base for accepting an opinion is whether the opinion looks more correct, explains reality better for example.
And I suppose your knowledge and character affects the choice,yes?
I already mentioned. The base for accepting an opinion is whether the opinion looks more correct, explains reality better for example.
And I suppose your knowledge and character affects the choice,yes?
The knowledge that I am exposed to, whether it is mine or others determines the path that I would follow. I am an open person when it comes to knowledge, so no my character does not affect my choice.
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:33 pm
I already mentioned. The base for accepting an opinion is whether the opinion looks more correct, explains reality better for example.
And I suppose your knowledge and character affects the choice,yes?
The knowledge that I am exposed to, whether it is mine or others determines the path that I would follow. I am an open person when it comes to knowledge, so no my character does not affect my choice.
And I suppose your knowledge and character affects the choice,yes?
The knowledge that I am exposed to, whether it is mine or others determines the path that I would follow. I am an open person when it comes to knowledge, so no my character does not affect my choice.
Presumably you just GUESS??
Yes, we just guess until we find out that a system of thought is internally consistent.
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:59 pm
The knowledge that I am exposed to, whether it is mine or others determines the path that I would follow. I am an open person when it comes to knowledge, so no my character does not affect my choice.
Presumably you just GUESS??
Yes, we just guess until we find out that a system of thought is internally consistent.
bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:29 pm
Your conclusion in the second syllogism "the human mind cannot be independent for whatever things are in reality" is different from P1 in the first syllogism "Reality as all-there-is cannot be independent of human minds".
My reinforced second P1 included P3 of the first syllogism.
Did you understand what I said?
If you don't understand my point, then I have not understood yours.
You'll have to clarify your point.
