We're all parrots here.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:48 pmWhich is apropos of or pertaining to what? Or are you just fond of repeating the obvious?
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No but the concept of "truth" itself is a concept of consensus.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:41 pmYou think truth is determined by consensus?stevie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:27 amNo but if you don't say that attributes are merely relative conventions the concept "there is no other kind of sulfur" in the context of the periodic table can't be differentiated from an assertion of an absolute truth which you purported to reject.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:22 pm ... I never said, "truth is an assertion." It is not, it is an attribute. A proposition is an assertion. It makes a difference.
Of course it doesn't. If I use the description of sulfur from the periodic table of the elements and say, "there is no other kind of sulfur," does that make it, "absolute sulfur?"
A proposition may be called "true" or "false" depending on the convention the proposition maker follows.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:22 pm As I pointed out earlier, "absolute truth," is redundant, a proposition is either true or it isn't, ...
I accept your metaphysical approach to "truth" and/or "reality" but I don't share it. So it seems you will never be in a position to solve the self contradiction caused by your use of words.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:41 pm There is only one thing that determines the truth, reality, which is all there is the way it is whether anyone knows or is even aware of that reality or not. Any, "convention," that would base truth on anything other the observable evidence of reality is a lie.
The idea that anything is established by, "convention," is post-modernist nonsense, designed to take in the gullible.
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Sophism!stevie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:05 pmNo but the concept of "truth" itself is a concept of consensus.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:41 pmYou think truth is determined by consensus?stevie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:27 am
No but if you don't say that attributes are merely relative conventions the concept "there is no other kind of sulfur" in the context of the periodic table can't be differentiated from an assertion of an absolute truth which you purported to reject.
A proposition may be called "true" or "false" depending on the convention the proposition maker follows.
I accept your metaphysical approach to "truth" and/or "reality" but I don't share it. So it seems you will never be in a position to solve the self contradiction caused by your use of words.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:41 pm There is only one thing that determines the truth, reality, which is all there is the way it is whether anyone knows or is even aware of that reality or not. Any, "convention," that would base truth on anything other the observable evidence of reality is a lie.
The idea that anything is established by, "convention," is post-modernist nonsense, designed to take in the gullible.
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And yet, here I am - still standing. Undefeated.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:28 pm No: they're still nonsense because they self-contradict. "I" contradicts with "not-exist," just as "true" contradicts with "nothing is true." They're merely self-defeating. They predicate, in the completion that which is the dead opposite of what is assumed in the subject.
You must be wrong.
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You are. Still "standing," after a fashion...defiant and uninformed....just as always.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:03 pmAnd yet, here I am - still standing. Undefeated.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:28 pm No: they're still nonsense because they self-contradict. "I" contradicts with "not-exist," just as "true" contradicts with "nothing is true." They're merely self-defeating. They predicate, in the completion that which is the dead opposite of what is assumed in the subject.
But your words are self-defeated. You cannot save them.
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You are accusing me of being uninformed all while anthromorphizing my words?!? :lol::lol:Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:39 pmYou are. Still "standing," after a fashion...defiant and uninformed....just as always.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:03 pmAnd yet, here I am - still standing. Undefeated.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:28 pm No: they're still nonsense because they self-contradict. "I" contradicts with "not-exist," just as "true" contradicts with "nothing is true." They're merely self-defeating. They predicate, in the completion that which is the dead opposite of what is assumed in the subject.
But your words are self-defeated. You cannot save them.
It continues to be impossible to prove to the stupid that they are stupid.
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It's you who fails to recognise that self-defeat is impossible while the "defeated" entity continues to exist.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:10 pm It's you who isn't knowing the difference between "self-defeating claims" and "a man who realizes his argument is defeated."
I'm quite clear on the difference.
It's just misinterpretation on your part.
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I am not trolling. You just don't get it.
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Except when you are mistaken.
Do you get it?
Do you get metaphysics?
If you fancy yourself a solipsist the term "it" is not forbidden to you.