No Such Thing as, "The Truth"

[Dontaskme]

There is no such thing as nonduality because nonduality is not a thing. Therefore, reality is nondual.

Which is apropos of or pertaining to what? Or are you just fond of repeating the obvious?

We're all parrots here.

[stevie]

... I never said, "truth is an assertion." It is not, it is an attribute. A proposition is an assertion. It makes a difference.

Of course it doesn't. If I use the description of sulfur from the periodic table of the elements and say, "there is no other kind of sulfur," does that make it, "absolute sulfur?"

No but if you don't say that attributes are merely relative conventions the concept "there is no other kind of sulfur" in the context of the periodic table can't be differentiated from an assertion of an absolute truth which you purported to reject.

As I pointed out earlier, "absolute truth," is redundant, a proposition is either true or it isn't, ...

A proposition may be called "true" or "false" depending on the convention the proposition maker follows.

You think truth is determined by consensus?

No but the concept of "truth" itself is a concept of consensus.

There is only one thing that determines the truth, reality, which is all there is the way it is whether anyone knows or is even aware of that reality or not. Any, "convention," that would base truth on anything other the observable evidence of reality is a lie.

The idea that anything is established by, "convention," is post-modernist nonsense, designed to take in the gullible.

I accept your metaphysical approach to "truth" and/or "reality" but I don't share it. So it seems you will never be in a position to solve the self contradiction caused by your use of words.

[RCSaunders]

No but if you don't say that attributes are merely relative conventions the concept "there is no other kind of sulfur" in the context of the periodic table can't be differentiated from an assertion of an absolute truth which you purported to reject.


A proposition may be called "true" or "false" depending on the convention the proposition maker follows.

You think truth is determined by consensus?

No but the concept of "truth" itself is a concept of consensus.

There is only one thing that determines the truth, reality, which is all there is the way it is whether anyone knows or is even aware of that reality or not. Any, "convention," that would base truth on anything other the observable evidence of reality is a lie.

The idea that anything is established by, "convention," is post-modernist nonsense, designed to take in the gullible.

I accept your metaphysical approach to "truth" and/or "reality" but I don't share it. So it seems you will never be in a position to solve the self contradiction caused by your use of words.

Sophism!

[Skepdick]

No: they're still nonsense because they self-contradict. "I" contradicts with "not-exist," just as "true" contradicts with "nothing is true." They're merely self-defeating. They predicate, in the completion that which is the dead opposite of what is assumed in the subject.

And yet, here I am - still standing. Undefeated.

You must be wrong.

[Immanuel Can]

No: they're still nonsense because they self-contradict. "I" contradicts with "not-exist," just as "true" contradicts with "nothing is true." They're merely self-defeating. They predicate, in the completion that which is the dead opposite of what is assumed in the subject.

And yet, here I am - still standing. Undefeated.

You are. Still "standing," after a fashion...defiant and uninformed....just as always.

But your words are self-defeated. You cannot save them.

[Skepdick]

No: they're still nonsense because they self-contradict. "I" contradicts with "not-exist," just as "true" contradicts with "nothing is true." They're merely self-defeating. They predicate, in the completion that which is the dead opposite of what is assumed in the subject.

And yet, here I am - still standing. Undefeated.

You are. Still "standing," after a fashion...defiant and uninformed....just as always.

But your words are self-defeated. You cannot save them.

You are accusing me of being uninformed all while anthromorphizing my words?!? :lol::lol:

It continues to be impossible to prove to the stupid that they are stupid.

[Immanuel Can]

anthromorphizing my words?...

It's you who isn't knowing the difference between "self-defeating claims" and "a man who realizes his argument is defeated."

I'm quite clear on the difference.

[Skepdick]

It's you who isn't knowing the difference between "self-defeating claims" and "a man who realizes his argument is defeated."

I'm quite clear on the difference.

It's you who fails to recognise that self-defeat is impossible while the "defeated" entity continues to exist.

It's just misinterpretation on your part.

[Immanuel Can]

...self-defeat is impossible while the "defeated" entity continues to exist.

No, you get it. You're just trolling.

[Skepdick]

No, you get it. You're just trolling.

I am not trolling. You just don't get it.

[Immanuel Can]

No, you get it. You're just trolling.

I am not trolling. You just don't get it.

Naw. Nothing to get. Just trolling.

[Skepdick]

Just trolling.

I thought as much.

Now fuck off.

[stevie]

No, you get it. You're just trolling.

I am not trolling. You just don't get it.

That's actually a statement based on metaphysical speculation. Why? Because saying "You just don't get it" implies a reality beyond human consciousness with the expression "it".

[Skepdick]

That's actually a statement based on metaphysical speculation. Why? Because saying "You just don't get it" implies a reality beyond human consciousness with the expression "it".

Except when you are mistaken.

Do you get it?
Do you get metaphysics?

If you fancy yourself a solipsist the term "it" is not forbidden to you.

[stevie]

That's actually a statement based on metaphysical speculation. Why? Because saying "You just don't get it" implies a reality beyond human consciousness with the expression "it".

Except when you are mistaken.

Do you get it?
Do you get metaphysics?

If you fancy yourself a solipsist the term "it" is not forbidden to you.

I don't mind any way you prefer to see "it".