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Origins and stories

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I don't normally post links, but I found this half-hour video discussing our origins and how stories have been borrowed and passed down through different cultures/religions over time, to be rather entertaining and interesting to think about. I think the points made in the video make more sense and offer more evidence than any theism stories have been capable of doing. :lol: I'm much more interested in exploring what seems reasonable based on many contributing factors, than simply accepting what people have come to believe within narrow, biased margins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFKDRArS-HM
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This is about human origins from aliens.
Note also,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens
Ancient Aliens is an American television series that explores the ancient astronauts hypothesis, past human-extraterrestrial contact,
As long as all these claims are based on empirical elements which is the case with many of them, we cannot discount their empirical possibilities.
What we need is the relevant empirical evidences to verify and justify the claims.

Whilst they are empirically possible, the possibility of the claim will depend on how "distant" [micro or macro] and the ability of produce the empirical evidence.
To claim there are living things on Mars or Jupiter would be more possible [say0.001%] than to claim there are human-liked highly intelligent aliens in a planet >1000 light years away [0.000000..001%] which might as well be near impossible.

In contrast, theism is based on a non-empirical claim which is empirically impossible, thus it is a non-starter to even consider any possibility of it being real empirically [& philosophically].
But nevertheless theism is useful psychologically for the majority just like indulging any other fantasies.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:10 am This is about human origins from aliens.
Note also,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens
Ancient Aliens is an American television series that explores the ancient astronauts hypothesis, past human-extraterrestrial contact,
As long as all these claims are based on empirical elements which is the case with many of them, we cannot discount their empirical possibilities.
What we need is the relevant empirical evidences to verify and justify the claims.

Whilst they are empirically possible, the possibility of the claim will depend on how "distant" [micro or macro] and the ability of produce the empirical evidence.
To claim there are living things on Mars or Jupiter would be more possible [say0.001%] than to claim there are human-liked highly intelligent aliens in a planet >1000 light years away [0.000000..001%] which might as well be near impossible.

In contrast, theism is based on a non-empirical claim which is empirically impossible, thus it is a non-starter to even consider any possibility of it being real empirically [& philosophically].
But nevertheless theism is useful psychologically for the majority just like indulging any other fantasies.
What part of "theism", to you, is supposedly based on non-empirical claims?

Just about absolutely EVERY thing in religious texts can be explained AND understood, and even PROVED, in empirical terms. That is; if ANY one is OPEN and Honest enough to challenge this claim.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:10 am As long as all these claims are based on empirical elements which is the case with many of them, we cannot discount their empirical possibilities.
They are interesting to consider. Many cultures have recorded and speak of contact with 'sky beings' -- so these accounts are not isolated to, or in service to, any particular narrative.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:10 am highly intelligent aliens in a planet >1000 light years away [0.000000..001%] which might as well be near impossible.
Distance could be a uniquely-human illusion or limitation. If particles can be entangled when they are apart, as our science has proven, then distance does not actually prevent some kind of instant connection/transfer.

Perhaps the sky is where human beings expect extraterrestrial things to come from. Advanced beings could be amongst us, seen or unseen according to our capability or vibration for perceiving.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:10 amBut nevertheless theism is useful psychologically for the majority just like indulging any other fantasies.
Yes, such beliefs could be an attribute of our stage of evolution. This, despite it being clearly demonstrated broadly and continuously that theism is not necessary in order for non-theists to possess all of the 'good/favorable' qualities attributed to theism, and theists are just as capable of embodying all the characteristics contrary to theist teachings. Theism offers powerfully intoxicating stories that seem intent/designed for explaining and casting away whatever is imagined as needing to be repelled. Such would be an interesting experiment for 'other beings' to observe: how human beings can create belief systems that they claim 'protects and saves' them, while it actually creates that which they need to be protected and saved from!
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