The Contradiction of Relativity
The Contradiction of Relativity
If all is relative then this statement is relative.
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Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
So what!
What is critical is whether whatever statement one made or agree with, it must be optimal [in its beliefs or actions] to the well-being of the individual and therefrom to humanity.
Thus the question is 'what is regarded as optimal-relatively?'
There is no such thing as an absolute God-independent standpoint, it is an impossibility.
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
Obviously, what is 'optimal-relatively', is what is just plain old 'good for EVERY one'.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:08 amSo what!
What is critical is whether whatever statement one made or agree with, it must be optimal [in its beliefs or actions] to the well-being of the individual and therefrom to humanity.
Thus the question is 'what is regarded as optimal-relatively?'
Besides the FACT that there is OBVIOUSLY a God-independent standpoint, so what if there is not?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:08 am There is no such thing as an absolute God-independent standpoint, it is an impossibility.
WHY bring this BELIEF of yours into this thread?
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
If the statement is relative to a context, then outside said context the statement does not exist. If it does not exist it is not universal therefore "not all" is relative. That is where the paradox comes in.
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
If the above statement is a contradiction and you accept it, even though it is a contradiction, then anything goes according to your logic including the existence of God.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:08 amSo what!
What is critical is whether whatever statement one made or agree with, it must be optimal [in its beliefs or actions] to the well-being of the individual and therefrom to humanity.
Thus the question is 'what is regarded as optimal-relatively?'
There is no such thing as an absolute God-independent standpoint, it is an impossibility.
Dually optimal relativety is relative, it follows the same paradox as the above OP.
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
But EVERY thing is relative to the observer.
'Context' is only an interpretation, from an observer. So, it would all depend on 'said context', including the 'context' of 'said statement', above.
If 'context' does, or does not, exist, or if a 'statement' does, or does not exist, then that is solely dependent upon the observer, "them self".
Will you provide an example of where you believe or think that a statement or context does not exist?
By the way, if 'it' does not exist, then besides it not being universal it is NOT even 'a thing' anyway.
What definition of 'paradox' are you using here?
Do 'you', human beings', yet realize that the word 'paradox' is, itself, literally, 'a paradox'?
That word has EXACT OPPOSITE meanings, so which meaning, and what context, are you referring to, in that statement.
So, once again, absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer.
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
What definition of 'paradox' are you using here?Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:59 pmBut EVERY thing is relative to the observer. 'Context' is only an interpretation, from an observer. So, it would all depend on 'said context', including the 'context' of 'said statement', above.
If it does not exist it is not universal therefore "not all" is relative.
If 'context' does, or does not, exist, or if a 'statement' does, or does not exist, then that is solely dependent upon the observer, "them self".
Will you provide an example of where you believe or think that a statement or context does not exist?
By the way, if 'it' does not exist, then besides it not being universal it is NOT a 'thing' anyway.
That is where the paradox comes in.
By the way, do 'you', human beings', yet realize that the word 'paradox' is, itself, literally, 'a paradox'?
The word has the EXACT OPPOSITE meanings, so which meaning, and context, are you referring to, in that statement.
So, once again, absolutely EVERY thing is relative, to the observer.
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1. I said "All is relative" this does not necessitate "all is relative to an observer" given the observer is just a context which may be change with another context.
2. Context is the medium through which something exists, it is not limited to interpretation. For example a field is an example of the context through which a horse exists.
3. If all is relative to the observer then no changes in observation could occur given nothing could exist outside the observer which allows for such change to occur. In simpler terms observation changes and this change is ground in "x" being unobserved then observed. "X" as unobserved is the means of change in the observer when observed. Because observation changes not everything is relative to the observer, given this is an observation which may change, and the observer is a context from which we begin a measurement.
4. The observer is just a context, ie a fixed starting point, when stating "all is relative to the observer". "Observer" could be replaced with "x" under the premise of everything being connected.
5. A context cannot appear in void as void is absent of context. Void is absence.
6. "All is relative including this statement" necessitates the statement as being untrue under a different context...whether another context exists is another matter.
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
Let us say that what you are saying here is true, so what?
What would be the actual point in discovering, or learning, and understanding "this truth"?
What would be the actual point in discovering, or learning, and understanding "this truth"?
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
Did you not read the questions I wrote?
What would be the actual point in discovering, or learning, and understanding "this truth", of yours?
And, remember, it is only "your truth" and NOT thee One and ONLY ACTUAL Truth of things.
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
The point of truth is truth as truth is the means and the ends. Considering the premise of all being being interconnected "my truth" is just another expression of the one truth as "my truth" exists as a subset of the "one truth" considering the "one truth" (totality of being) contains within it all expressions of said truth.
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This may be True. But, again, let us not forget that 'your truth' is NOT necessarily 'thee One ACTUAL Truth'.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:37 pmThe point of truth is truth as truth is the means and the ends. Considering the premise of all being being interconnected "my truth" is just another expression of the one truth as "my truth" exists as a subset of the "one truth" considering the "one truth" (totality of being) contains within it all expressions of said truth.
When you able to distinguish between the two then you will be able to SEE the flaws within your own, so called, "truth/s".
Re: The Contradiction of Relativity
And that is your truth as it is your perspective. Dually "my truth" as an extension of the "one truth" necessitates truth occurs in grades thus exists in a state of multiplicity.Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:14 pmThis may be True. But, again, let us not forget that 'your truth' is NOT necessarily 'thee One ACTUAL Truth'.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:37 pmThe point of truth is truth as truth is the means and the ends. Considering the premise of all being being interconnected "my truth" is just another expression of the one truth as "my truth" exists as a subset of the "one truth" considering the "one truth" (totality of being) contains within it all expressions of said truth.
When you able to distinguish between the two then you will be able to SEE the flaws within your own, so called, "truth/s".