Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:16 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:21 pm
stevie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:17 am
Of course. But that is consistent and not a contradiction.
If all is relative, including this statement being relative, then the statement is false under certain contexts therefore not all is relative.
Under what "certain contexts"?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:21 pm
Dually to state "if all is relative then this statement is relative" is to claim an unchanging absolute thus a contradiction occurs.
You are NOT SEEING things CLEARLY, FULLY and Correctly, YET.
In fact you are just saying things, which are not correct, in the hope that they 'marry in with' your already obtained and strongly held onto BELIEFS.
There is NO contradiction in what you said here. The contradiction is in your OEN INTERPRETATION of things. Which is Wrong, and Incorrect.
1. Under the context of "All" as "all" is not clarified. It may be "all of x", "all of y" or "all of being". Even under the premise of "all of being is relative" it means that facets of the one being only exist under certain contexts and as existing under these certain contexts it makes these relations absolute given x can only occur with y or z. As making these specific contexts as absolute, in the respect facets of the one reality can only exist under certain contexts, the relations which form these phenomenon are constant thus not relative in the respect the unchanging context through which a phenomenon occurs is part of the phenomenon itself thus is not relative.
The relation of 1 and 1 resulting in 2 necessitates certain context remain constant and unchanging. These constant contexts through which a phenomenon may occur necessitates "all is relative" as subject to "all of x" or "all of y" as not all of being is relative. Given certain phenomena exist through an unchanging context this necessitates x, y, or z as having the context through which they exist as part of there identity thus not a relation.
2. Stating all is relative including this statement being relative means the statement is falsifiable under a new context. This new context may be "all of x" is relative, ie arithmetic with 1+1=2 being relative in the respect 1 is relative to itself under a new context of 2, or "all of x is relative but y is not relative", ie "y" being the number line as an individual entity not being relative to anything other than itself. "All" of a specific group of phenomenon may in fact be non relative such as the aforementioned number line or the observer observing himself or the "totality of the universe...these things are independent of the change relativity produces
3. You are not falsifying anything I said but rather just making the assertion that I am wrong with no justification behind it. You are the one projecting your beliefs and assumptions...contradictions exist because all phenomenon exist in contrast to what they are not.