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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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Vitruvius wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:58 am Since 2005, I've been fighting against the likely prospect of human extinction. I'm done. No act, nor lack of act on my part will cause or prevent your certain doom! If they knew all along there was limitless clean energy, and are doing this anyway, y'all got problems I can't help you with. It's above my paygrade - it's not my responsibility, I'm done. Thanks to everyone here, and all the other forums I've frequented. I'm not a philosopher anymore. I'm free.
You were never a philosopher. You were just absorbed in a cometh-the-hour-cometh-the-man fantasy where your own special powers of vision and rhetoric would make you the saviour of mankind, 21st century Churchill. It was never about the magma thing, it was about the hero thing.
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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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Vitruvius wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 pm
Vitruvius wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:02 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:47 pm A young girl who had the courage and tenacity to bring the crisis to the attention of the world.
You don't seem to be picking up what I'm laying down here. In the US alone there's 50,000-500,000 quads of magma energy available - when global energy demand was 446 quads. That's about as close to limitless clean energy as it gets.

Meanwhile the earth is burning and melting in all the wrong places, and yet, to tackle climate change, they're asking:

"What's your diets carbon footprint?"

That's what I mean by How Dare You?
How dare you put this on us?
How dare you risk environmental catastrophe?
How dare you....sail across the ocean rather than fly?
She's part of the problem, and you call her a hero?
She's peddling lies or ignorance - guilt tripping people into a 'have less, pay more, tax this and stop that' policy approach - rather than demanding that the technology is applied to produce the limitless amounts of clean energy available.
Belinda wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:25 pmI know that is what you mean. I understand and I understand your frustration. I have told you I don't understand the science and technology and my ignorance is typical of most people. I also know that it may be too much to hope that conservative efforts will stop the crisis. Conservative efforts if these can be sufficiently popularised are better than no effort at all. I do wish magma energy to be used to save our children and grandchildren and the rest of the biosphere from disaster. Why is it not happening? It is not vegetarians and other frugal people who are stopping it.
My frustration is not with you. You're aces. Pulling that NASA magma project data off the internet was a game changer. I thought it was just me - who'd come up with a bright idea that existed in a blind-spot - due to a left wing anti capitalist environmentalist narrative - in combination with climate denial on the right; but it's so much worse than that. They knew all along that there's limitless clean energy available from magma - or at least, have known for the past 40 years. It just became a very different fight, and I'm unsure how to proceed. I've often times entertained myself with the idea of a different political spectrum - one that ranges - not from left to right, but from ideological traditionalist to scientific rationalist. I never imagined it might become a reality; it's just placing issues on that spectrum helps to understand them. Now I'm thinking that's the real scale of this challenge.
I think the name of the overall political spectrum is "Who Is To Be The Boss?" Political power factions might be enough to stop reason taking its rightful stance. In the war against Hitler everyone knew who the enemy was but in this fight for survival no Churchill has appeared.
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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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How much carbon is stored within magma, and, how much carbon is released with magma energy?
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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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Age wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:08 am
I was replying to you. In the same way you wrote. That grown up people are selfish and greedy... they try to make a good life for themselves and their families.
What is this in relation to though?

Many people do many things. But that in itself does not make what they do good, nor right.
And that is exactly why I critisized your earlier post. You kind of put blames on individual people ("grown ups") doing this or that, when the problem is global. It aint a question of wrongdoers starting to do right. It's the question of a very difficult problem getting handled in a manner that really works. Without going around moralizing about the Greed and Selfishness of other people(a really stupid thing to do generally, if you do not come from a down to earth working class background yourself)
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Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:36 am
Age wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:08 am
I was replying to you. In the same way you wrote. That grown up people are selfish and greedy... they try to make a good life for themselves and their families.
What is this in relation to though?

Many people do many things. But that in itself does not make what they do good, nor right.
And that is exactly why I critisized your earlier post. You kind of put blames on individual people ("grown ups") doing this or that, when the problem is global.
So, are you here now 'trying to' blame the "globe", or "the collective", for what 'you', individual adult human beings, do?

Also, just because ALL adult human beings, individually, do some thing, then this does NOT lessen the wrong, harm, nor damage that they are each, individually, doing.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:36 am It aint a question of wrongdoers starting to do right.
Well this is one of the "better" attempts at "justifying" wrong behaviors I have seen and heard.

If 'it' is not about the one's who are doing wrong, changing their behaviors to start doing what is right, then I do not know what else will solve the mess that the wrongdoers have created and continue causing.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:36 am It's the question of a very difficult problem getting handled in a manner that really works.
1. It is NOT a "difficult problem" AT ALL, to me.

2. I have provided thee ACTUAL solution, which does REALLY work.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:36 am Without going around moralizing about the Greed and Selfishness of other people(a really stupid thing to do generally, if you do not come from a down to earth working class background yourself)
What are you ASSUMING here, actually?

What entails a "down to earth working class background", exactly?

And, in which country and culture were you thinking about, in regards to "a down to earth working class background"?

For what might be uncovered is that your "down to earth working class background" is very "upper class background", to me.

By the way, you can not even begin to fix a 'problem' until you admit that have/are 'the problem'.
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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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Sure, there is a problem. A global one. Understand that. It is not a "moral" problem. Cut that "kid from wealthy neighborhood trying to find that glorious meaning of life by going red-green". You might not be one but you write like one. And if you, after all, are, try to find some people from areas where daytime work for wages is the meaning of life. And learn.
And if the problem is simple, why isn't it solved? Because grown-ups are greedy?
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Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:58 pm Sure, there is a problem. A global one. Understand that. It is not a "moral" problem.
How do you define 'global problem'?

And, where exactly do you envision this 'global problem' originated from, if not from individual adult human beings? Are you 'trying to' blame children, or something else?
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:58 pm Cut that "kid from wealthy neighborhood trying to find that glorious meaning of life by going red-green".
LOL The EASE at which it is to manipulate and control 'you', adult human beings, into ASSUMING, even BELIEVING, and SAYING some things never ceases to amaze me.

I have absolutely NO idea what you talking about and referencing here, and just in case you are curious I have absolutely NO interest in discovering either.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:58 pm You might not be one but you write like one.
AND, until you start asking CLARIFYING QUESTIONS you will NEVER KNOW what thee ACTUAL Truth IS either.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:58 pm And if you, after all, are, try to find some people from areas where daytime work for wages is the meaning of life. And learn.
This sentence of yours here does not even make sense to me, and again, I have NOT interest AT ALL in seeking sense from you.

As long as I am obtaining PROOF like these of just how much the people, in the days when this is being written, make ASSUMPTIONS, and JUMP to Wrong conclusions, then this is enough and perfect, for me.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:58 pm And if the problem is simple, why isn't it solved?
Mostly because older people make ASSUMPTIONS and JUMP to conclusions, BEFORE they gain accurate CLARIFICATION.

I also hinted at the list further up in this thread.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:58 pm Because grown-ups are greedy?
Not only that. WHY would you ASSUME just 'that'?
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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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Then clarify this:

"Why do adult human beings have a 'love of money'?

Because of the way they were brought up.

So, when adult human beings STOP being greedy and selfish, through their 'love of money', then they will STOP teaching their children to 'love money' and 'be greedy', which, in turn, will help prevent human made climate change."

This STINKS upper class brat going left, so please ...
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Ansiktsburk wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:39 am Then clarify this:

"Why do adult human beings have a 'love of money'?

Because of the way they were brought up.

So, when adult human beings STOP being greedy and selfish, through their 'love of money', then they will STOP teaching their children to 'love money' and 'be greedy', which, in turn, will help prevent human made climate change."

This STINKS upper class brat going left, so please ...
We do NOT care what ASSUMPTIONS you make. What thee ACTUAL Truth IS, is way more important. And, what actual 'stinks' of wrongdoing is people 'trying to' "justify" their wrong behaviors. Also, to you, are those of the "upper class" not able to solve 'the love of money' caused problems? If it was the 'love of money' that has helped to create human made 'climate change', then that is just a FACT, and absolutely NOTHING in regards to, so called, "left" or "right", "rich" or "poor".

By the way, what was 'it' that you wanted me to clarify, exactly? You have obviously already answered your own question here.

And furthermore, if you really want me to reply to your responses, then you have to quote me directly. Otherwise I am not notified that you have responded to me and so I may miss what you write to me.
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Age wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:48 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:39 am Then clarify this:

"Why do adult human beings have a 'love of money'?

Because of the way they were brought up.

So, when adult human beings STOP being greedy and selfish, through their 'love of money', then they will STOP teaching their children to 'love money' and 'be greedy', which, in turn, will help prevent human made climate change."

This STINKS upper class brat going left, so please ...
We do NOT care what ASSUMPTIONS you make. What thee ACTUAL Truth IS, is way more important. And, what actual 'stinks' of wrongdoing is people 'trying to' "justify" their wrong behaviors. Also, to you, are those of the "upper class" not able to solve 'the love of money' caused problems? If it was the 'love of money' that has helped to create human made 'climate change', then that is just a FACT, and absolutely NOTHING in regards to, so called, "left" or "right", "rich" or "poor".

By the way, what was 'it' that you wanted me to clarify, exactly? You have obviously already answered your own question here.

And furthermore, if you really want me to reply to your responses, then you have to quote me directly. Otherwise I am not notified that you have responded to me and so I may miss what you write to me.
Ok quoting.
So, exactly which "greedy and selfish" adults do you refer to? Actually, truthfully?
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Ansiktsburk wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:46 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:48 am
Ansiktsburk wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:39 am Then clarify this:

"Why do adult human beings have a 'love of money'?

Because of the way they were brought up.

So, when adult human beings STOP being greedy and selfish, through their 'love of money', then they will STOP teaching their children to 'love money' and 'be greedy', which, in turn, will help prevent human made climate change."

This STINKS upper class brat going left, so please ...
We do NOT care what ASSUMPTIONS you make. What thee ACTUAL Truth IS, is way more important. And, what actual 'stinks' of wrongdoing is people 'trying to' "justify" their wrong behaviors. Also, to you, are those of the "upper class" not able to solve 'the love of money' caused problems? If it was the 'love of money' that has helped to create human made 'climate change', then that is just a FACT, and absolutely NOTHING in regards to, so called, "left" or "right", "rich" or "poor".

By the way, what was 'it' that you wanted me to clarify, exactly? You have obviously already answered your own question here.

And furthermore, if you really want me to reply to your responses, then you have to quote me directly. Otherwise I am not notified that you have responded to me and so I may miss what you write to me.
Ok quoting.
So, exactly which "greedy and selfish" adults do you refer to? Actually, truthfully?
EVERY one of them.

And, what are you ASSUMING this time?
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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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Age wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:53 pm
Ansiktsburk wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:46 pm
Age wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:48 am

We do NOT care what ASSUMPTIONS you make. What thee ACTUAL Truth IS, is way more important. And, what actual 'stinks' of wrongdoing is people 'trying to' "justify" their wrong behaviors. Also, to you, are those of the "upper class" not able to solve 'the love of money' caused problems? If it was the 'love of money' that has helped to create human made 'climate change', then that is just a FACT, and absolutely NOTHING in regards to, so called, "left" or "right", "rich" or "poor".

By the way, what was 'it' that you wanted me to clarify, exactly? You have obviously already answered your own question here.

And furthermore, if you really want me to reply to your responses, then you have to quote me directly. Otherwise I am not notified that you have responded to me and so I may miss what you write to me.
Ok quoting.
So, exactly which "greedy and selfish" adults do you refer to? Actually, truthfully?
EVERY one of them.

And, what are you ASSUMING this time?
Well, you ASSUME a mouthful, don't you...
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Re: Solving Climate Change.

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Staying at home playing computer games, surfing on the internet and eating peanut butter sandwiches probably reduces your personal carbon emission. And using contraceptives. Telling wife to be quiet when wanting 3rd childs and avoiding dogs and cats helps too. Having the same clothes multiple days. A geeky life is probably a quite clean life. My extrovert, socialist enviromentalist wife just went away for a girls weekend in the middle of nowhere. By car. Guess some of you environmentalists like to see the world too, right?

But sure, have just glanced through the thread, apart from mouthing uselessly and not very brilliantly with age, and that geo thing sounds nice. For you americans that could also be a way to handle those 644.000 ys... gotta be a helluva pressure down there. Letting out that steam and boiling water at the same time sounds like a really smart thing to do. Pretty difficult, but smart.

Btw being a countryman of Greta's I can tell you she´s as remote from daytime work and a normal life for a normal person as anyone can be. Parents drinks champagne on premieres. She knows shit about a normal persons life.
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Ansiktsburk wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:26 am
Age wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:53 pm
Ansiktsburk wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:46 pm
Ok quoting.
So, exactly which "greedy and selfish" adults do you refer to? Actually, truthfully?
EVERY one of them.

And, what are you ASSUMING this time?
Well, you ASSUME a mouthful, don't you...
Name just one thing that I have, supposedly, ASSUMED here.

And then we can start.
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Ansiktsburk wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:44 am Staying at home playing computer games, surfing on the internet and eating peanut butter sandwiches probably reduces your personal carbon emission.
Relative to what exactly?

And, depending on where the electricity is coming from, to run the computer games and the internet, will influence if doing these things will "reduce your personal carbon emission" or not.
Ansiktsburk wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:44 am And using contraceptives. Telling wife to be quiet when wanting 3rd childs and avoiding dogs and cats helps too. Having the same clothes multiple days. A geeky life is probably a quite clean life. My extrovert, socialist enviromentalist wife just went away for a girls weekend in the middle of nowhere. By car. Guess some of you environmentalists like to see the world too, right?
What are you going on about here, and, who is this question directed at, exactly?
Ansiktsburk wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:44 am But sure, have just glanced through the thread, apart from mouthing uselessly and not very brilliantly with age, and that geo thing sounds nice. For you americans that could also be a way to handle those 644.000 ys... gotta be a helluva pressure down there. Letting out that steam and boiling water at the same time sounds like a really smart thing to do. Pretty difficult, but smart.

Btw being a countryman of Greta's I can tell you she´s as remote from daytime work and a normal life for a normal person as anyone can be. Parents drinks champagne on premieres. She knows shit about a normal persons life.
Honestly, I really do not have a clue what you are trying to say here.
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