gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:08 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:48 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:02 am
counter Buddhism huh?
What sentence did you mean to say?
Buddhism, so far as I know, does not have a "counter." Nor a cash register, nor a bag boy.
So what did you mean?
i meant your reply to whats his name was not to just accept "live" but to strive to make the world better. which is an outward view - make the world better,
rather than accept it sucks and look inward for contentment - which is the Buddist mindset.
Not quite, gaffo. I commend your interest and critical thinking and I think you state a popular misconception. Within the context of spiritual growth surrender means to surrender to reality, however you perceive it, which may not be the reality of surrendering to a set of rules from the headmaster, and I suspect in your case it is not.
When it exists in you, a desire to make the world a good place is the reality to which one surrenders. Then one will work mightly and put their heart and soul into good works. One will buck the reality of the world as a perceived bad place, to do that, to create a new reality of the world as a good place, with you as the reality bucker.
There are even those who say that to conquer powerful urges such as the desire to smoke, lots of sex, wild and irresponsible spending, all of these desires that exist in you, if they exist, must be explored to establish the nature of your relationship with these things, and desire, and to see how desire causes ignorance, and suffering.
However, that’s a bit far for Buddhism which deals in the reality of moral precepts to keep order in the sangha in case there may be some misunderstandings about appropriateness, but Buddhism speaks to all capacities, and in differing ways. I have it on good authority that all of Buddha's teachings, including teachings about suffering, point to the nature of mind, and I know this to be true, and so I tell you this while there is still another breath, for the day when you feel you may need a direction to proceed.
Moral precepts, right behavior and right speech and so on, these are vehicles, the limitations imposed and followed to realize no limitations, combined with appropriateness of situation to produce right action. And one may ask, where is the moral guidance in this?
For the of path no limitations, the need for limitations is taken away by the preparation for the path, which infuses a natural humbleness into the rest of one’s days and nights, which can be sacrificed to appropriateness when necessary, such as in the case of the CO referenced by J. Krishnamurti when even one’s life is sacrificed to appropriateness before the firing squad.
You must have great desire to carry through the preparations to be worthy in this man’s army … and also to prepare for the realization of no limitations.
Forgive any apparent contradictions, for if they exist they are not caused by those I reference, but by my own incoherence, which may possibly be clarified if a question is clear.