Look, IC is, in my view, entirely correct here.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:35 pmOn what basis? We don't call a lion "evil" for killing gazelles. We don't even call lions "evil" for killing each other (which they do, by the way).Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:30 pm If he's standing in front of you about to chop you up, is he somehow not "evil"?
If human beings are, as the secular accounts hold, nothing but a kind of animal or material being like any other, then there's no good or evil in anything they do. There's only whatever they do, according to their own natures.
What do we mean, then, when we call some of what they do "evil"?
No God means no objective morality. Just all of these folks -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ideologies -- claiming that their own particular secular Ism is either deontologically or ideologically or naturally the One True Path to salvation. At least on this side of the grave.
And, sure, maybe one of them is. Or maybe none of them are.
Let them actually demonstrate, given a particular context, why all men and women are in fact obligated to behave as they do.
No God and given the evolution of biological life on Earth, we are just the latest of what has evolved so far.
No God and the fact that those like Harry Baird are repulsed by certain behaviors becomes the reason they are immoral.
Of course, IC has absolutely no qualms in insisting that all of these folks...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions
...are likely to burn in Hell if they don't come around to accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
But what truly baffles me here is that IC claims not to have mere faith in the existence of the Christian God, but knows for a fact that He resides in Heaven.
And He knows this because it says so in the Christian Bible. And because there are 16 YouTube videos that will convince the rest of us.
And yet with so much at stake on both sides of the grave, I can't even convince him to note the one video that he claims offers the most powerful evidence.
I mean, how do you explain that? Isn't he interested in saving souls? Shouldn't he be going everywhere that he can think of to make these videos known to the world?