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Alexis Jacobi
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Re: Christianity

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Gary Childress wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:41 am
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:07 pm Diversions are funnnn. Let’s get back to the ideas.

Lace? Harbal? You’re up.

Take it from the top ….
Song and dance number coming up, or just fancy tap dancing?
Both!

And what about that stunt Yahweh just pulled in Turkey, eh? You though you had it bad …
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Re: Christianity

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tillingborn wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:28 am
Skepdick wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:08 pm
tillingborn wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:33 pm120 on a good day. Get yourself a girlfriend; you get very wound up when you're unwinding.
You couldn't even wind up a clock at this rate...

Lets wrap this up. I agree with 120.

120 above yours.
Well 120 points of a useless metric is useless. I suggest a more accurate measure of mental acuity: wit. You lose.
Here's another example:
tillingborn wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:34 pm
Skepdick wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:28 amIt's 2023 dude. This dichotomous thinking is so lame.

ALL moral arguments are appeals to authority or revelation.
It's 2023 dude. This dichotomous thinking is so lame.
Granted it didn't take any great genius, since you pretty much put it on a plate for me. No doubt it is an example of your successful manipulation of others. That being so, it is hard to fathom how your response shows any appreciable intellect:
Skepdick wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:16 amYou dumb, dismissive, uncharitable sophist! Why are you misinterpreting the meaning of my "OR? It's parametric function, not a dichotomous logical connective!
All it shows is that, whatever my clock winding skills, I can wind you up effortlessly.
I mean, you are winding up alright. But you are so dumb you can't even tell who you are winding up.

Look at you so self-woundup about a simple fact like my IQ score.
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Re: Christianity

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Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:35 am
ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:28 am...it doesn't address the "bottom line".
Then what is "the bottom line"? I quoted all that you asked. I answered as fully and frankly as possible. There's no more.

Okay, well, I guess it's obvious...we're not communicating, for one reason or another. I won't bother assigning fault for that, on either side, because it's not useful to do so. I'm sorry you haven't found the answers you're looking for.

Best wishes.
Never ceases to amaze me how little humility so many Christians have. That and how little honesty - both intellectual and in general.
You way overestimate yourself. How about showing some humility and some honesty?

Even in your latest post you dishonestly ask, "Then what is 'the bottom line'?" even though I have restated it repeatedly. Most recently in saying:
The key phrase (in bold) of the "bottom line" is that "coming to the Father "through [Jesus]" entails having faith that the above (or some variation thereof) is true. "
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Re: Christianity

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ThinkOfOne wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:22 pm Never ceases to amaze...
I'm sorry, but I'm just not interested in ad hominem attacks, or in responding to the same. They strike me as puerile, and quite frankly, dead boring, in addition to their charm of being logically irrelevant. So you'll have to excuse my complete indifference to them.

However, it's plain I've tried to understand and explained as best I can, and assuming you've tried to understand as best you can, we are not able to communicate, apparently.

That's fine. No harm, no foul.

Have a nice day.
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Re: Christianity

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:07 pm Diversions are funnnn. Let’s get back to the ideas.
That's all it's about for him. The ideas. But even Ayn Rand was willing to take her own ideas down out of the clouds and discuss them "existentially" in The Fountainhead and in Atlas Shrugged.

Entirely fictional characters in an entirely fictional world perhaps but still down out of the clouds.
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Re: Christianity

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reasonvemotion wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 4:10 am
RWStanding
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Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
Sculptor wrote:
The church and state are one, under the King dei gratia.
That's one reason why religion is so unpopular.
World leaders call for global unity.

World government buzz words.......
common good, solidarity, unity, fraternity, morality, humanity,  ONENESS

These words will be used to push a very specific agenda.
This one world mindset will be pushed to change the world's thinking.

Unity by what Means?

Church (Papacy) and State (Empire)

Who are these figure heads?

These key figures are: 
Pope Francis Head of the Catholic church (Christian unity is not optional)
Antonio Guterres Secretary General United Nations
Tedros Adhanon. Director World Health Organization
Arturo Sosa   Superior General. The Jesuit order

The solutions proposed by the Pope on these issues if fully adopted would represent a dramatic shift from current nationalistic structures of government to a global form of a very specific type of civil government and are these global forms of government actioned anywhere else, one example: 

Antonio Guterres Secretary General United Nations
Antonio Guterres states the very nature of work will change, governments may have to consider stronger safety nets and eventually universal basic income.

What do we know about Antonio Guterres?

He is the head of the UN
Extract from the Jesuit magazine
"Guterres joined the socialist party the year it was formed, underground, and soon after the collapse of the regime he dedicated himself fully to building a political career.  When elected prime minister in 1995 he was considered a natural leader of the Catholic wing of the Socialist party."

Many of his views on global affairs including rising inequality, terrorism, migration and climate change mirror those of Pope Francis whom he visited in December 2013.

Columnists and commentators at major publications have expressed serious concern about his extremism.   As president of Socialist International, Guterres envisaged a radical model of government led by a UN Parliamentary assembly that would facilitate the emergence of global citizens.
Jennifer Oriel in the Australia newspaper, among other extremism, SI declared that its goal was to parliamentarise the global political system by establishing a UN Parliamentary Assembly.

Marx believed that a society could not be transformed from the capitalist mode of production to the communist mode of production all at once, but required a transitional state, which means the intermediate stage between a capitalist economy and a communist economy, whereby the government nationalizes the ownership of the means of production from private and collective ownership.

 It is interesting to note given Guterres background, it may be fair to say that one of the world's leading  experts on Marx's socialism is now in a position to implement it on a global scale. 

Those leaders who are motivated by fear of outsiders, such as Putin, won't let it happen if they can help it.
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Re: Christianity

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Skepdick wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:33 pm...you are so dumb you can't even tell who you are winding up.
You make it obvious when you say things like this:
Skepdick wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:16 amYou dumb, dismissive, uncharitable sophist!
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:07 amYou are supposed to shut the fuck up...
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:11 pmYou want to suck the cock while getting fucked by it too, eh? OK.. spread them cheeks at both ends.
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:16 pmThen I shall set my purpose (and my only purpose) for interacting with you as "wasting as much of your time as possible".

How's that?
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:42 pmI abandoned my use to adopt yours. On purpose.

Just to fuck up your shit and waste your time.
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:42 pmBut there's always the pleasant and enjoyable time-wasting and the unpleasant and regretful time-wasting.

I promise you the latter. And then some.
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:22 am...even calling you a pig might be a compliment...
Now I know you would have me believe that you use language in such a way that even the apparently stupid things you say are clever on a level that is beyond me, but you haven't convinced me. So I will stick with the more parsimonious hypothesis that the things you say that appear stupid are in fact stupid. That is not to say that everything you say is stupid; you give a passable impression of smarts when you talk about computer science. Admittedly that might simply be because I have little idea of what you are talking about, but even a dumb, dismissive, uncharitable sophist can concede that perhaps rather than just firing off your latest find on wikipedia, you have some actual expertise in the field. That being so, you should try to keep your feet on the ground, since being good at one thing doesn't make you good at everything. All you are doing is reminding us that an idiot savant is still an idiot.
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Re: Christianity

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tillingborn wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:47 am
Skepdick wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:33 pm...you are so dumb you can't even tell who you are winding up.
You make it obvious when you say things like this:
Skepdick wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:16 amYou dumb, dismissive, uncharitable sophist!
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:07 amYou are supposed to shut the fuck up...
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:11 pmYou want to suck the cock while getting fucked by it too, eh? OK.. spread them cheeks at both ends.
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:16 pmThen I shall set my purpose (and my only purpose) for interacting with you as "wasting as much of your time as possible".

How's that?
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:42 pmI abandoned my use to adopt yours. On purpose.

Just to fuck up your shit and waste your time.
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:42 pmBut there's always the pleasant and enjoyable time-wasting and the unpleasant and regretful time-wasting.

I promise you the latter. And then some.
Or this:
Skepdick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:22 am...even calling you a pig might be a compliment...
Now I know you would have me believe that you use language in such a way that even the apparently stupid things you say are clever on a level that is beyond me, but you haven't convinced me. So I will stick with the more parsimonious hypothesis that the things you say that appear stupid are in fact stupid. That is not to say that everything you say is stupid; you give a passable impression of smarts when you talk about computer science. Admittedly that might simply be because I have little idea of what you are talking about, but even a dumb, dismissive, uncharitable sophist can concede that perhaps rather than just firing off your latest find on wikipedia, you have some actual expertise in the field. That being so, you should try to keep your feet on the ground, since being good at one thing doesn't make you good at everything. All you are doing is reminding us that an idiot savant is still an idiot.
It's a pretty stupid game you seem to be playing. Not unexpected, because you aren't very smart...

This is the crux of the criterion problem in epistemology: You have absolutely no idea what would convince you of anything. About anything. But you want me to figure it out. In the spirit of "avoiding stupidity is much easier than seeking briliance" - I refuse to play the game on your idiotic terms ;)

So lets wrap this up...the reason I think you are an idiot is because you think you know what it means to be "smart". But if you can't even define the criteria for smartness, all you'll ever do is keep falling into tautologies and circularities. Like every idiot who thinks in words instead of outcomes.

You don't even have a clue what expertise is; or what it's good for! Frankly - you don't seem like the kind of person who knows what they want; or why they want it.
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After such a long period of activity, it seems inevitable that Christianity will always end in the outhouse.
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Death Toll in Turkey and Syria Surpasses 21,000
The earthquake also left hundreds of thousands homeless in subfreezing temperatures.
NYT

Note to the Christian/Muslim/Jewish God:

Okay, okay, enough is enough!!
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I can't imagine anyone shouting Allah Akbar while they're digging for bodies and finding most of them dead. In any case, the extent of the destruction has more to do with the government's acceptance of corruption in the building codes than consistently pointing the finger at a non-existent god.
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ThinkOfOne to Immanuel Can wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:22 pm Never ceases to amaze me how little humility so many Christians have. That and how little honesty - both intellectual and in general. You way overestimate yourself. How about showing some humility and some honesty?
Well, at least this is true of those who boast about their superior understanding of a god.

Perhaps the reason there is a lack of honesty is because people who make such extremely absurd and archaic claims are working with very little, so they have to make up stuff and/or avoid as needed! There isn't enough truth (if any) for responding to questions honorably. It's an empty bag, and they don't have the decency or courage to admit it, so they play games and pretend (some more) that it's all still believable.
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iambiguous wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:12 pm Death Toll in Turkey and Syria Surpasses 21,000
The earthquake also left hundreds of thousands homeless in subfreezing temperatures.
NYT

Note to the Christian/Muslim/Jewish God:

Okay, okay, enough is enough!!
Agreed!

Some theists might even imagine that this happened to those poor people because they weren't following the one, true God! It could happen to any of us! And for those people to still call out to God... for what? Isn't it clear yet, that there will be no answer?
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Dubious wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:22 pm I can't imagine anyone shouting Allah Akbar while they're digging for bodies and finding most of them dead.
I guess delusion helps people cope with life. Unfortunately, it may hurt more than it helps.
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Dubious wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:22 pm I can't imagine anyone shouting Allah Akbar while they're digging for bodies and finding most of them dead. In any case, the extent of the destruction has more to do with the government's acceptance of corruption in the building codes than consistently pointing the finger at a non-existent god.
If God is non-existent, then, I suppose you are right about it being silly to point a finger at a God, hands down. But there's a lot of lip service given to the idea of there being a God that seems very significant and remarkable. Now maybe it isn't the God of the Bible. I'm more inclined to believe the Bible is someone's particular false belief than to think that God is the character we must understand him/her to be from the Bible: a jealous god, a god who punishes nearly all of humanity with death in a flood, or a god who decided to pick one small group of people to present himself to and not the whole of humanity. If there IS a God, then there must be some reasonable explanation for why s/he has created the world to be so harsh against living beings. If there's NOT a God, then knock on wood (a lot), I hope it's in the random cards for humanity to continue existing and do so in some kind of state of relative happiness and prosperity.
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