iambiguous wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:01 pm
...in my view, you still refuse to bring your theoretical conjectures about race and intelligence -- and morality and culture? -- down out of the intellectual clouds in regard to how you imagine those of different races interacting either in terms of full equality in an interracial community or, instead, favoring different races/nationalities interacting "somatically" among their own kind. Also, the extent to which, given your own understanding of the "demographic crisis" in America, the reality of race is or is not a factor. And, again, finally, given historical instances of those making a distinction between races in regard to intelligence [as with Hitler] are there any aspects of their policies that you construe to be worthy of consideration given a community that you would deem to reflect the best of all possible worlds.
I'm simply attempting to bring what I construe to be your pedantic "wall of words" intellectual assessment down to Earth in order "illustrate your text" pertaining to race, racism, our demographic crisis and the reaction of those people of color who might get suspicious when they hear someone suggest that "on average" the Northern European white stock race possesses a greater intelligence.
Arguments can be made here that in no way involve either race or ethnicity or Jews. Is that the argument that you are making? Japanese, Nigerians and Frenchmen of all colors and ethnic backgrounds joined together in full equality to push back Progressivism, Marxism and Egalitarianism? Is that what you are advocating?
If so, then, sure, I misconstrued your points above.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:29 am
Right. And what does this have to do with race and ethnicity? And are all Swedes of the opinion that "somatically" they should avoid interaction with those who are not like them? Or are there right-wing racists political factions there [as there are in America] who are stirring up the pot politically?
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:26 amRace, national origin, cultural affiliation, and also existential tendency — all of these things together unquestionably operate together. Your mistake is to deny that totality and reduce concerns about the make up of a society to concerns you define as racist. That term is ideological. Its function is to undermine and invalidate the larger range of concerns just outlined.
Unless, of course, your mistake is to assume that -- genetically? biologically? -- human beings are
naturally predisposed to be prefer being around those of the same "somatic" makeup. And, sure, that might make sense if, say, Japanese, Nigerians and Frenchmen were literally unable to reproduce other than among their own kind.
Uh, what was nature thinking in allowing them to reproduce with those across board ethnically?!!
But there are any number of communities in which people of all races and ethnic backgrounds interact without basing their relationships on the color of their skin. Or in assuming that some of the races among them are "on average" smarter than others.
You can have situations where a Japanese family can raise a Nigerian baby or a French family can raise a Japanese baby and, through childhood indoctrination, they grow up to think and to feel just like their parents, just like others in any particular culture or community.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:26 amCertainly Swedes and Swedish culture — intensely ‘progressive’ — are
not in agreement with those who seek to preserve Swedish culture. And it is that faction which opened the door to mass immigration and bringing in refugees. The plan was noble in that sense, but the result seems to have been negative. And this has strengthened a reactive Right faction taking a more traditionally nationalist perspective.
And of course this is all predicated on your own strictly objective assessment. Though, sure, to the extent that immigrants are not willing to embrace the cultural mores and traditions of Sweden there is going to be conflict. But that pertains to the behaviors themselves and not the fact that those behaving differently do so
because they are of a different color or ethnicity. It's not like those people of color and of different ethnicities can't choose to accept the Swedish culture as their own.
Look, to the extent that those who come to Sweden and become citizens, they are expected to obey the laws of the land just like everyone else. And if they pursue traditions that break the laws, arrest them. And if they are in the country illegally, stop that. But to make it all about Northern European stock sticking together and rejecting all those who are not of "our kind", that's racism. And the science I've come into contact with rejects that as a basis for either de jure or de facto keeping communities "separate but equal". And, of course, they are never really equal. It's just that some take the so-called inherent inequality all the way to the gas chambers.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:26 amI don’t think you have much or any background in the actual social problems in Sweden that have resulted from recent immigration policy shifts.
Okay, let's assume that you do. So, given the "demographic crisis" in Sweden what is to be done? In terms of government policy pertaining to reproduction, education, employment, culture, morality, social interaction and the like, what should be done given that, in your view, the non-Swedes are likely to be less intelligent and, on the outside, "somatically" different.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:26 amCulture and society and citizenship are much more than just the laws and obedience to them. Sweden, according to critics of recent policy changes, took steps that are undermining national identity. A nation is more than an ideological proposition and citizenship based on that alone is described as problematic to the foundation of nationhood.
Look, what you appear to argue is that "national identity", race and ethnicity are one and the same. As though Swedes of all colors and ethnicities can't interact equally in a community that shares the same cultural values. That, in other words, if there is a "demographic crisis" in Sweden today it's because the Northern European white stock has been infiltrated --"infected" -- by the lesser intelligent races.
And let's not forget the role that capitalism plays in all of this. From America to Qatar to Europe, immigrants are welcome into nations precisely because corporations exploit them as a source of cheap labor. Then when enough of them are there the ruling class can rile up the white workers to see them as the enemy and not the bosses.
And, sure, there will be those in Sweden who are in fact racists. Like you, they believe that the Northern European white stock must sustain their own culture
as the Northern European white stock.
Of course, whether you are in fact a racist too, you wish to keep up in the theoretical clouds. But, again, I suspect that black, brown and red folks -- and Jews? -- will be more interested to learn exactly what their fate might be when you do come down out of the didactic/pedantic stratosphere and, walking the talk, join those intent on stemming the "demographic crisis".
, none procreative sex with me?
