When, EXACTLY, do you suspect the human being knownGary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:40 pmI suspect Christ might have been an ordinary person who had an incredibly intense mystical experience.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:35 pmYes, I would agree with that - a single sentance "I am God" would not convince me. Why have you ditched believing in the life of Christ?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:31 pm
I don't think matters having to do with supposed spirits, divinities or an afterlife are anything I can rationally deduce from any sort of evidence in this world. I can interpret my experiences in various ways and if I approach it rationally, then I have to say that I've never come across anything indicating that such things exist and even if a voice came out of the blue and said, "I am God", then I don't see how I could be sure that it is in fact God or which God it in fact is, because my first thought is how could any divinity or spirit possibly approach me that I couldn't second guess myself later and say, "was it a dream? Did I have a psychotic episode? Is it in fact the being that created everything?" I mean, I don't know how I could rationally tell one way or the other if I gave it further reflection.
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as "jesus christ" here had a so-called 'mystical experience'?
Where, EXACTLY, is it written in the Bible that the one known as "jesus christ" created the WHOLE Universe?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:40 pm That isn't to say that he wasn't right about many things or made good sense in many ways. I'm just not sure he was the creator of the whole universe as alleged in the Bible.
But NO 'experience' is so-called 'ineffable'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:40 pmPerhaps he was referring to what other mystics not too far away from his neck of the woods would call brahman or atman or something.
NOTE: I'm not necessarily buying into the notion of brahman or atman being the way things are either. They could be wrong too. But I'm more inclined to think that all cultures have some kind of contact with whatever it is that mystics experience. How a person interprets that experience could just be a matter of picking up learned cultural beliefs and applying them to what mystics otherwise typically say is ineffable or unable to be described with words. Apparently, words distort the experience. However, mystics typically want to convey their experience to others and how to have that experience. So words or mimicking actions of the mystic are sometimes necessary even though the experience itself is (apparently) ineffable.