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Walker wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:36 pm
iambiguous wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:55 pm 3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths.
The rest of it is rather unclear.

- Some folks use the teachings of Christianity as the qualitative measure of anything.
- Some folks use the teachings of another religion as the qualitative measure of anything.
- Some folks use Life as the qualitative measure of anything.
- Some use jargon, acronyms, slogans, bumper stickers, memes. We call these folks … Jargonols, to shorten the concept of their existence into a single word, as they do when taking measure.
- If it's not yet in the dictionary, pen a note to Merriam, or Webster, or their agents.
Come on, let's not forget what is at stake here for Christians:

1] objective morality [commandments] on this side of the grave
2] Judgment Day
3] immortality and salvation for some, damnation and Hell for others

Why on earth do you suppose that Christianity in particular is described as a proselytizing faith? Some going door to door...others sending missionaries far and wide. Why? Because they are literally out to save souls. But what of those they don't reach? Those who were indoctrinated to worship and adore [and fear] other Gods or religious paths? Or were raised to believe in no God at all?

The irony here is that Jesus Christ Himself was a Jew.

And...

"An important tenet of Judaism is that God's will is for people to exercise free will. As such, proselytizing is generally regarded as offensive in Judaism. Consequently, Judaism generally does not proselytize non-Jews." wiki

As for the manner in which I construe the meaning of dasein here, that's just common sense. We get "thrown" out into a particular world at birth. Completely beyond our control. And, as such, we may or may not ever become aware of Jesus Christ. Our experiences as adults may or may not include contact with the Christian faith.
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Harry Baird wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:44 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:09 pm I have been wondering if energy drinks can be combined with liquor into a sort of ‘shandy-like cocktail’.
You might like to look into the Vodka Red Bull combo. Experiment with it a little, and you might be able to answer your own questions!
Last time I was in UK with my bruva-in-law (a typical loud mouth yank) and his biz partner - we went to a members only casino and they insisted on a round between the three of us..which were DOUBLE TVRs - that is double shots of tequila-vodka with red bull.

Well, by the 3rd ...one is happy to watch an idiot yank throw his money away on a card table.
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Harry Baird wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:44 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:09 pm I have been wondering if energy drinks can be combined with liquor into a sort of ‘shandy-like cocktail’.
You might like to look into the Vodka Red Bull combo. Experiment with it a little, and you might be able to answer your own questions!
Hmmm. I’ll take it under consideration. But I am beginning to think methanphetamine in combo with psychedelic mushrooms 🍄 will help me to fit in better with the forum . . .

One added note. You mentioned previously ‘power-plays’, and you were serious. I need to tell you that this is a thoroughly incorrect and inaccurate assessment. It is cynical and paranoid. I cannot divest you of it since you created the idea but I need to tell you that you are very wrong. No attempt to use power against you is or was in operation.

I made statements about common attitudes that are prevalent today. For example all that I said about Left-Progressivism and emotionalism. As well as their sense of moral superiority and tendencies to condemn, in extremely sharp ways, those who have different opinions and ideas. One other of my ideas is that they carry forth a sublimation of a Christian ethics in the form of an attitude of righteousness which seems to give them special rights to abuse people with harsh judgments.

This has been an operative assessment for the longest time. It is not a power-play to have this idea. It is what I think based on what I have observed.

And I fairly and directly state that you seem to me to embody these attitudes. It is not a power-play to put you down. It is an assessment of mine that I believe I can back up. And as I say it is a common attitude that one runs across in many different areas. I am certainly willing to reveal more about it.

I can’t stop you if you choose to take it personally, but I recommend that you don’t.
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Harry Baird wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:32 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:53 pm Go back to the jungle then.
Come over here and make me, possum.
Why would I need to 'make' you? Since you are so riddled with 'colonial guilt and romorse' then it's a given that you would be on the next flight (oops, can't be a flight because that would be utilising a modern, 'hateful colonial' invention), I mean canoe, back to your place of origin...
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:06 pm Hmmm. I’ll take it under consideration. But I am beginning to think methanphetamine in combo with psychedelic mushrooms 🍄 will help me to fit in better with the forum . . .
Hey, if that floats your boat, then give it a go (no, but seriously: don't!).

That particular combo would probably get me sent to the loony bin. I think I'll stick with the cola and beer 🍺.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:06 pm One added note. You mentioned previously ‘power-plays’, and you were serious. I need to tell you that this is a thoroughly incorrect and inaccurate assessment. It is cynical and paranoid. I cannot divest you of it since you created the idea but I need to tell you that you are very wrong. No attempt to use power against you is or was in operation.
Well, here's the curious thing for me. I made a basic statement of historical fact about South Africa - one of the most basic historical facts about it that there is: that it was an exploitative colonial project. As intelligent, educated, and well-read as you are, you must know that this is so basic a fact as to be incontestable, and yet... you contested it anyway!

It honestly seems to me, then, that a psychological motive must have been at play. You don't like the "gaslighting power-play" interpretation, so, here's another possibility that occurred to me on reflection:

You were - consciously or otherwise - motivated by my having recently expressed appreciation for your having rejected the Zionism that you once endorsed, and for your having, for the first time I'd ever seen, independently brought up land theft in general in a critical context. My guess is that you - again, consciously or otherwise - saw that as gloating.

In expressing that you contested this basic historical fact about South Africa, you were, then, taking the opportunity to obliquely send to me the message, "Meh, who would even want their views in these sort of respects to become more like yours, which are grounded in mere irrational sentimentality?"

Does this get us any closer to understanding the dynamics of our very recent little kerfuffle? Who knows? It's just a possibility for consideration.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:38 pm Since you are so riddled with 'colonial guilt and romorse' then it's a given that you would be on the next flight (oops, can't be a flight because that would be utilising a modern, 'hateful colonial' invention), I mean canoe, back to your place of origin...
I'd be happy to have a sincere and meaningful conversation about this in the right circumstances, but these obviously aren't those.
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Wokie psychopath. Yuk.
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Psychopath? Where on Earth did that assessment come from?
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Lack of any genuine feeling? Takes cues on how to behave in a 'human' way from fashionable trends? Doesn't really care about anything or anyone? Everything is about 'image'? This is why wokies come across as shallow and disingenuous. It's because they 'are'.
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Oh. I see.
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So glad we clarified that :D How's that planned canoe trip panning out?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 pm So glad we clarified that :D
Me too. I'm a sucker for a new diagnosis. Can't get enough of 'em.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 pm How's that planned canoe trip panning out?
Have found the requisite fallen tree trunk. Struggling to light the fire to hollow it out though - it's currently raining.
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Oh, wait, my mistake. It's just my neighbour's sprinkler.
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Harry Baird wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:56 pm Oh, wait, my mistake. It's just my neighbour's sprinkler.
I hope you told your neighbour off soundly for stealing aboriginal resources :cry:
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:58 pm I hope you told your neighbour off soundly for stealing aboriginal resources :cry:
What if I told you... he IS Aboriginal?
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