Simply? It's believing what God has said...
And it's belief of a level that it results in action and personal investment, not mere detached credence.
Simply? It's believing what God has said...
Yes, I've got it now.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:29 pmIf you or anyone claims there is an entry point, then that suggests there is an 'inside' and an 'outside'... see?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:13 pm I'm still not quite seeing it. What do you mean by "inside" and "outside"? Maybe you could clear that up for me.
Well, you'd have to be aware that it's been the dominant story for 2,00 years, if only from the fact that the Bible's the faraway bestseller every single year of its printing. It's so popular that they don't even include it in most "bestseller" lists. (5 billiion have been sold, according to Guinness; and even more printed and circulated in sections.) And you'd have to acknowledge that the Torah, the Old Testament, has been around for thousands of years before that. That's a pretty widely-available narrative and set of teachings -- THE most widely available one, in fact.It shows that your idea of a god and the 2,000-yr-story that you base all of your beliefs on, is but a blip in time that doesn't resonate consistently, nor was it shared or acknowledged, throughout Earth's or humankind's history.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:53 pm The fact that people believe different things says nothing whatsoever about the truth itself.
Again, you distort... which is what makes you look like a liar for your beliefs.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:45 pmWhen did you decide that faithfulness was not a virtue?
I didn't distort. Faithfulness requires consistency. You use the word "static." Static means "to remain in a state," and faithfulnes is remaining in a state of reliability.
That is exactly what god appears to be.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:58 pmI didn't distort. Faithfulness requires consistency. You use the word "static." Static means "to remain in a state," and faithfulnes is remaining in a state of reliability.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:49 pmAgain, you distort... which is what makes you look like a liar for your beliefs.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:45 pm
When did you decide that faithfulness was not a virtue?
So let me put the question back to you: would you want God to be "unstatic," unfaithful and unreliable?
...according to man, and how man imagines/envisions his god to be reflected in himself and humans. All very obviously self-serving and small-minded.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:45 pm Yes, there is an inside and an outside.
None of this is surprising, if God has a particular nature and identity.
Humankind's other religions throughout history have been dominant stories for thousands of years too. Humans like to explain things and feel comforted/empowered by imagining/envisioning gods.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:45 pmWell, you'd have to be aware that it's been the dominant story for 2,00 yearsLacewing wrote:It shows that your idea of a god and the 2,000-yr-story that you base all of your beliefs on, is but a blip in time that doesn't resonate consistently, nor was it shared or acknowledged, throughout Earth's or humankind's history.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:53 pm The fact that people believe different things says nothing whatsoever about the truth itself.
...or believe.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:53 pm Unless one happens to think that truth and majoritarianism are the same thing, there's no particular concern in the fact that some people continue to disbelieve.
Yet... it continually and consistently looks more like the limited and manipulated handiwork of man than of a god.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:53 pm Even were it so, it could well be the truth, nonetheless.
Hardly.
You convolute terms/ideas to support your beliefs, and then make absurd accusations as a result. Why do you represent your theism with such obvious lies?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:58 pmI didn't distort. Faithfulness requires consistency. You use the word "static." Static means "to remain in a state," and faithfulnes is remaining in a state of reliability.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:49 pmAgain, you distort... which is what makes you look like a liar for your beliefs.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:45 pm When did you decide that faithfulness was not a virtue?
You do not equate, "belief," and, "faith," then?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:34 pmSimply? It's believing what God has said...
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hebrew_Ro ... tion/FaithRCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:14 pmYou do not equate, "belief," and, "faith," then?
Ah, such righteous Christians! Never serving themselves! No distortions or lies! All because God exists!Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:25 pm "Self-serving" is the one thing one does not get to do, if God exists.
I pointed out the distortion of your definitions. Check an actual dictionary, not the distorted one you consult in your head to validate your dishonesty and delusion.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:20 pmThey're called "dictionary definitions." You'll get used to them one day.
The question is neither theological or etymological. You don't have to answer if you want to evade the obvious. I'm asking whether you equate belief and faith. If someone says they believe something is that faith. Of course that would contradict your statement that faith is believing what God has said.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:22 pmhttps://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hebrew_Ro ... tion/Faith