Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:49 pm
iambiguous wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:47 pm
Did John Calvin Believe in Free Will?
Most Christians are not Calvinists.
Again and again and again:
Given that 1] objective morality on this side of the grave and 2] immortality and salvation on the other side of it are at stake, what's a mere mortal to do? Believe IC's rendition of the True Christian? Or the Calvinists? Or the Catholics? Or the Protestants? Or the Jews? Or the Muslims?
Or in the Gods of all the other denominations?
Note to others:
Let's ignore IC. His own ridiculous, circular arguments. Let's move beyond mere entertainment and examine this seriously. What is a mere mortal to do here given what is at stake both here and now and there and then?
IC tells us, "that's just what [ultra]Calvinists...think is the case." Okay, so how is it not in turn here "what IC thinks is the case"? Where
is his demonstrable proof such that
with so much at stake, it really is only what he thinks that counts?
Again, moving beyond just being amused by him here.
Let's face it though, sin takes on a whole new meaning if you were never able not to sin. And if, whether you do or do not, the fate of your eternal soul had already been decided by God...at or around the time of the Big Bang?
Still, it really comes down to how Calvin was actually able to demonstrate this beyond insisting that he was never able to demonstrate it beyond being fated to believe it.
I mean, in all seriously, what could you have told him to get around that?
Then [of course] for the rest of his post, back to what IC insists that all True Christians
really believe. And, as luck would have it, it's exactly what he himself believes!
Well, that and quoting the Christian Bible in order to demonstrably prove that Christianity is the word of God.
Just as an aside, if you want to explore yet another snapshot of how denominational religion often does function in reality down here on Earth check out this documentary:
https://www.hbo.com/unveiled-surviving- ... o/season-1
Christianity. How over and over and over again, it often becomes mostly about sex and money.