Dubious wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:30 pm
Isn't that precisely what you're looking for, specific principles in the metaphysical domain that you can give complete and permanent credence to as something objective and inviolable? All your reading isn't going to discover it.
It is less that I am "looking for it" as I notice that it is part-and-parcel of man's striving. It can be reduced to something rather simple: all that we have created, civilizationally let's say, and also in other civilizations that we admire, have been created because people organized themselves around certain defined principles. The principles defined allow for the creation or construction of a foundation, and on that foundation civilization is constructed. Similarly, the individual is a sort of construction, and requires a foundation. This is pretty basic stuff.
Now, what I am seeking -- to borrow your phrasing -- is some conceptual tools to examine *people like you*. I place you in a
similar category as I place Iambiguous. Obviously, to head off your inclination to emoted idiocy, to be similar is not the same so let that be clear. When I read what you write (and when you are not a grumpy fuck) I notice a man who has constructed for himself a platform that is not really a platform. Your analysis, so it seems to me, dissolves the *platform* (foundation) I refer to as necessary for the construction of self and for all manner of different construction in our world. We are in a time of dissolution as you hear me stating time and again. And so the question arises, and it is an important one, about whether it is possible to countermand the general dissolution.
Now, an old geezer like you does not have to care too much, do you? You are
likely an incel and it is likely that you have not constructed very much at all. There is a bitter note that comes through your tone but I don't know why (I have suspicions though). I cannot imagine that you have either family or children. But even if I am wrong in this
you come across as a man who does not have commitments and who can, thus, be free with a dissolute *philosophy*. I state very clearly that my analysis, and any analysis that we make, cannot should not and must not be taken personally, get it? But in my view we are
required to make hard and harsh, and hopefully accurate and astute judgments of our own ideas and attitudes and those around us. In this spirit I talk about you,
jerk.
Why do I say these things? I say them because the philosophy that you seem to have dovetails with a larger, operative general attitude that is non-capable of conserving "things of value". If I am only partly right here (in respect to you) then I am right enough to have a valid point. So my question becomes: What happened to you that brought you to this operative, philosophical position?
So I would take this statement: "Isn't that precisely what you're looking for, specific principles in the metaphysical domain that you can give complete and permanent credence to as something objective and inviolable?" and just begin to ask questions about it. Or, put another way, I would *employ* it as a large question an individual must ask of himself. And going further: that individual must answer the question, must make decisions.
Your philosophical platform, though I will not say that it does not have coherent features, cannot lead a man to a solid position in this life. Therefore, what you recommend, the core 'advice' that is offered ("all speech has a sermonic function" to amend Richard Weaver), even when you do not state it directly, is to accept dissolution as something inevitable and necessary. I notice that you seem to have contempt for those who have made decisions, and you seem to act in such a way so to undercut their decisiveness.
Again, my general comments, even if only partially accurate, have relevancy because they elucidate am extremely large problem that we face today.
If you regard my view as the final, ultimate one - a complete misconception on your part - can you explain how you arrive at that conclusion after everything I wrote?
I said that you made definitive statements that appear irreducible. When we define *what is true* we naturally create statements that are meant to be final and encompassing.
In any case please go forward to talk about why my take on what you say is "a complete misrepresentation".
There is nothing in the universe, nothing in nature, which has any relation to your Christianized metaphysics. But just because it's "all made up" doesn't limit its importance as far as the psyche itself is concerned, which, having its own objectives, can never yield to the impersonal processes which created it.
Very good! In some sense you and I are on the same page. I do not see the Creation as expressing 'Christian metaphysics'. Yet they arise within the Creation somehow. As opposing currents. As consequential decisions. When man represses or redirects base energy he (literally) creates a world that could not have come to exist except through those choices.
Is Christianity a *perfect* representation (or model)? I certainly would not say that. But yes, I find that the more that I examine and *see* the most central and operative tenets, the more I see it as sets of extremely intelligent choices. But note that I refer to a pithy philosophical term:
intellectus. It is a peculiar one because it implies surrender (if I may use that word) to a higher concept of the intelligent. In essence metaphysical. Is such absolute and ultimate in the sense of cosmically pervasive? I am not in a position to say.
Everything subsequent is a "construction", a commitment of one's psyche or personality if you like, which is always a product of the times. Since when hasn't that been true upon examining history?
Blah blah blah and more blah. You simply elaborate the place in which (if I am correct) you are stuck. I do not blame you for this. My understanding is that it is a common position and one determined by 'causal ideas'.
If you're so desperate for a metaphysical fix, no problem, just adopt one that seems the most reasonable...or is that the wrong word! There are all kinds to choose from!
I always appreciate a good little piece of advice so thank you! And if you will permit it, why don't you fold your cheap, unintelligent advice five ways and stick it where the sun don't shine?
Again, to construct in our world, and on any platform, requires intelligent decisiveness and decisions. But I am not sure that I'd go along with the idea of proper choices as an addict getting his fix. I have a strong feeling that you are
projecting. It seems
possible that you might be addicted to a sort of aimlessness and as I say dissoluteness.
But be that as it is the most important thing is to be aware of what I call *desperation* to which we are all susceptible.