vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:04 am
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:43 am
If you choose not to substantiate your claims, then the neglect and repercussions of that are on you. It's not an issue for me.
How about you substantiate yours?
Fine, I'll go first.
My first claim:
"according to the Book by which they justify their right to Palestinian land, the Jewish people in the first place invaded that land and kicked out its original occupants"
My substantiation of that claim:
By "the Book" I obviously meant the Old Testament of the Bible, or, in other words, though not
quite the same, The Torah. That Book reports in Genesis 12:6-7 that:
Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.
The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.”
Clearly, the Book recognises that there were original occupants (Canaanites) of the "promised" land, which the Jewish people thus would have to have kicked out. There are other places in the Book where this is recognised.
Claim substantiated.
My second claim:
"[The Canaanites,] plausibly, were ancestors of the people whom [Jewish people] once again kicked out [of the "Promised Land"] several thousand years later, last century".
My substantiation of that claim:
According to
this National Geographic article from May 2020, the reality is
slightly more nuanced than my claim:
Both Israeli and Palestinian politicians claim the region of Israel and the Palestinian territories is the ancestral home of their people, and maintain that the other group was a late arrival. “We are the Canaanites,” asserted Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas last year. “This land is for its people…who were here 5,000 years ago.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, said recently that the ancestors of modern Palestinians “came from the Arabian peninsula to the Land of Israel thousands of years” after the Israelites.
The new study suggests that despite tumultuous changes in the area since the Bronze Age, “the present-day inhabitants of the region are, to a large extent, descended from its ancient residents,” concludes Schwartz—although Carmel adds that there are hints of later demographic shifts.
“One could analyze ‘Canaanite’ as opposed to ‘Israelite’ individuals,” adds archaeologist Mary Ellen Buck, who wrote a book on the Canaanites. “The Bible claims that these are distinct and mutually antagonistic groups, yet there's reason to believe that they were very closely related.”
Thus, the Canaanites are plausibly the ancestors of
both those currently known as "Jewish" and "Palestinian".
In any case, this doesn't affect my point, which can be restated as being that those who currently identify as Jewish have no
greater claim on the "promised" land than those who currently identify as Palestinian.
Claim substantiated albeit with added nuance.
Now, it's your turn.
Your claim:
"That doesn't even resemble what actually happened."
I await your substantiation of that claim.
