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Re: Christianity

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henry quirk wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:19 pm Floyd was murdered: an evil was done.
Chavin is a murderer: he's an evil doer.
Rittenburg: you mean Rittenhouse? He self-defended so committed no evil.
Travis McMichael, Gregory McMichael, William "Roddie" Bryan Jr.: murderers, evil doers.
Ahmaud Arbery: murdered, an evil was done.
Islam: evil.
Communism: evil.
Socialism: evil.
Captialism: neutral but too often made evil; Free Enterprise is never evil.
Nixon: evil doer.
Clinton: evil doer.
Vietnam war: collection of evil acts.
Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombs: could be evil; could be self-defense.
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Re: Christianity

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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:12 pm I choose to avoid all suffering that does not enhance a life.
As do we all.
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But it is 'YOU', adult human beings, who are THEE ONES who is causing and creating ALL of the SUFFERING in the world.

When will 'YOU' START SEEING this ACTUAL Truth, and IRREFUTABLE Fact?
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 am But what's the point of saying so? We have already only two options: a universe that does not have any pain in it, and one that does have pain in it. Pain is often a product of bad choices; but pain is also an evidence of choice itself.

What would you rather have: a universe with no pain and no choices, or a universe with some pain but real choices? That's the real question.
'real' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 am
So who "owes" Whom what?
you ask. I have had a particularly easy life so far. Many others have had lives of unremitting and severe suffering. You would do better to ask those others who owes whom what.
No, I prefer to ask you. Because those individuals have their own roads to follow, and whether or not they have questions, they are surely questions that only they are qualified to ask.

You say your life has been "particularly easy." Perhaps, then, you should thank God, instead of looking for reasons to object to Him or complain about his dealings with others.
WHY are 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, STILL SO STUPID to ACTUALLY think or BELIEVE that God wants or even seeks "thanks".

Here is just MORE EXAMPLES of just how CLOSED and STUPID human beings REALLY WERE, back when they BELIEVED things, just because they had been TOLD things by "OTHER" human beings.

TELLING someone that, "They SHOULD thank God", as though God was some person who had picked them out and had CHOSEN 'them' is about one of the MOST IDIOTIC and RIDICULOUS ideas that human beings could have and have bestowed upon and among themselves.
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 am That might be the more grateful, appropriate response, would it not?
Here is ALSO a GREAT EXAMPLE of just HOW MUCH and HOW OFTEN these God-BELIEVING human beings would seemingly CONTINUALLY 'try to' get "others" to come and join their congregation to BELIEVE in the SAME God, in which they do.

These people REALLY felt SO INSECURE with their OWN BELIEFS that they were almost constantly 'trying to' gather and maintain as many "followers" as they could, just so they could feel better about their OBVIOUSLY Wrong and DISTORTED ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS. Just like ALL 'armies' feel stronger, more powerful, and more 'right', the MORE that are, literally, joined-together, in the SAME ideas and BELIEFS.

But how Wrong they ALL WERE. As just Truth, logic, AND reasoning ALWAYS squashes and quells them ALL DEAD.

And, as can be CLEARLY SEEN here, throughout this forum, "they are dropping like flies", as some say.
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Re: Christianity

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Incarnated God is a flexible concept.
Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:39 pmNot a bit of it. It's Jesus Christ.
Which is a concept.

That which knows all concept is the only knowing there is. Concepts know nothing, concepts are KNOWN. You are that knowing that cannot be known.

Sorry, IC, but you are simply preaching a case of mistaken identity here.

Lets be clear about this. Belinda has got it right, whereas you are distorting.

Bye the way, a concept is inseparable from the one that knows it. In knowing any-thing at all, you can only KNOW ABSOLUTELY, you cannot know you know, which is an illusory relativistic term, within the idea of separation.. :shock:

To know you know ..would require you to split yourself into two things, into a knower and the known...that's impossible.

Religion has tried to have it's cake and eat it too...and that's the sole and only reason why there is so much suffering and misery in the world of humanity, all because of religion and what it preaches.


One does not have to appeal to an external authority to know the difference between good and evil.

You already know goodness, to do not need an outside authority to inform you of what you already know and ARE

''The road to hell is paved with good intentions means that it is not enough to simply mean to do well, one must take action to do well''

Babies are not born sinners IC... :shock:

Ic you are no doubt a good person, most people are generally harmless, and why would they not be. It's just that you are spreading misinformation, that's all. :D
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...in the irony void between Mr Can's ears:
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 amYou say your life has been "particularly easy." Perhaps, then, you should thank God, instead of looking for reasons to object to Him or complain about his dealings with others. That might be the more grateful, appropriate response, would it not?
What's it got to do with god given that all Belinda's choices are her own?
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Age wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:53 am
uwot wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:24 pm
Age wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:42 pmI wonder if the irony in, "It is written in peer-reviewed scientific text. Therefore, it must be true", is also missed?
Age, who are you quoting?
The people that think, say, or write that.
That's cheating Age; you don't get Brownie points for invoking a strawman. Only idiots waste their time countering arguments no one has made, like Mr Can.
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Re: Christianity

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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:12 pm I choose to avoid all suffering that does not enhance a life.
As do we all.

But what's the point of saying so? We have already only two options: a universe that does not have any pain in it, and one that does have pain in it. Pain is often a product of bad choices; but pain is also an evidence of choice itself.

What would you rather have: a universe with no pain and no choices, or a universe with some pain but real choices? That's the real question.
So who "owes" Whom what?
you ask. I have had a particularly easy life so far. Many others have had lives of unremitting and severe suffering. You would do better to ask those others who owes whom what.
No, I prefer to ask you. Because those individuals have their own roads to follow, and whether or not they have questions, they are surely questions that only they are qualified to ask.

You say your life has been "particularly easy." Perhaps, then, you should thank God, instead of looking for reasons to object to Him or complain about his dealings with others. That might be the more grateful, appropriate response, would it not?
But Jesus reserved his greatest respect for the poor widow's mite .
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henry quirk wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:32 pm God does not suffer at all

You know this how?

God is a person: persons suffer.
Objection!!!!

''person'' is a concept, concepts do not suffer. There is suffering, as a concept only, not as a direct experience.

Pain is a real sensation, no person, a thing known as concept, causes pain to happen, if it did cause it, then it would be able to stop pain from happening, before pain happens...because it would already know pain is bad, and it would NOT intentionally choose pain or bad.

When a LION is being ripped apart, limb, from limb, in a battle for endurance and dominance over survival, territory and food, does that lion ever say to itself ''... holy hell,this life I'm having is one fucking tormented suffering fest?....'' No, it does not. There's just what's happening, without questioning what's happening.

Questions can only arise to the illusory sense that there is a separate one who can question what is happening. He who questions must answer.

He who questions WHO AM I ?... must answer... The answer is the ONLY one who suffers.

If the answer is I am..then that I AM is the only causer of suffering, because that one is the only knower of suffering. There is no other knowing outside of I AM

And that's why Henry...it is important that we fully understand the following koan...

The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection The water has no mind to receive their image.
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Re: Christianity

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The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection The water has no mind to receive their image.
How beautiful and true ! It makes me shiver. It makes me shiver and smile at the same time.
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Belinda wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:47 am
The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection The water has no mind to receive their image.
How beautiful and true ! It makes me shiver. It makes me shiver and smile at the same time.
Yes indeed, it actually brings tears to my eyes. In a thankful grateful sort of way.

Endurance is all that is, was, and ever will be, for it could not have been any other way. :D

Thanks Belinda. 8)

The one who knows image, is the ONLY one who has created it.

Intention is the rider of the will. He who wills, will be done.
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Belinda wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:15 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:30 am
Belinda wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:12 pm I choose to avoid all suffering that does not enhance a life.
As do we all.

But what's the point of saying so? We have already only two options: a universe that does not have any pain in it, and one that does have pain in it. Pain is often a product of bad choices; but pain is also an evidence of choice itself.

What would you rather have: a universe with no pain and no choices, or a universe with some pain but real choices? That's the real question.
you ask. I have had a particularly easy life so far. Many others have had lives of unremitting and severe suffering. You would do better to ask those others who owes whom what.
No, I prefer to ask you. Because those individuals have their own roads to follow, and whether or not they have questions, they are surely questions that only they are qualified to ask.

You say your life has been "particularly easy." Perhaps, then, you should thank God, instead of looking for reasons to object to Him or complain about his dealings with others. That might be the more grateful, appropriate response, would it not?
But Jesus reserved his greatest respect for the poor widow's mite .
But did he also remember her fleas and bedbugs too?
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Re: Christianity

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Age wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:37 am
Sculptor wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:29 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:25 pm
That is not quite the right question, at least for me to answer. The question is What lies outside of the capacity of science to measure?

And I think the answer is meaning. The meaning of something -- an event, a relationship, an occurrence. How is it that things are determined by as to have meaning, the be meaningful -- I think that is one area in which 'science measurement' and the methods of science has no way of addressing.

What life is, why life is, why I have this life, why I am alive and perceive, and of course what I believe, feel and determine I must do with this life -- these are obviously questions that the typical science we are all familiar with declines to answer. It is not in its domain to answer.
You can ask empty quesions till you are blue in the face and then one day you die never knowing there aint no answer.
And do 'you', "sculptor", KNOW, FOR SURE, WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY ANY DOUBT AT ALL, that there are some questions that for absolutely FOREVERMORE there will be ABSOLUTELY NO answers for?

If yes, then would you like to share some of those questions here with us readers?

If no, then WHY NOT?
Those questions have been asked since writing began. I have no doubt that they were asked long before the dawn of writing too (a thing for which no evidence is necessary).
And there have been no satisfactory, consistent, coherent, not verifiable answers.
But there is no shortage of smart Alecs who think they know better. Some are risible, you are hilarious.
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We just have DIFFERENT views,

A wise observation: 👍
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Re: Christianity

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Belinda wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:15 am But Jesus reserved his greatest respect for the poor widow's mite .
He did.

But then, she had given Him, as He said, "from her poverty, ...all that she had to live on.”(Luke 21:4) Anyone who, in a similiar way, gives Him everything gets exactly the same high esteem, be she widow or not.
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Objection!!!!

overruled!
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Re: Christianity

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If the human being known as "henry quirk" here was born with a vagina, then does "henry quirk" think that it would write so 'male' gendered centric here now?

If I were a woman, with the same sensibilities I have as a man, then I'd probably be 'female' gendered centric.

I get your point, though.

So let's reason together, you and me.

It's misogynistic and primitive that I should always refer to man, yeah?

I should be inclusive, yeah?

How about this...

she/he/it: that covers the whole schmear.

Ungainly, though.

Let's compress it: sh/h/it.

Better...but still awkward with those forward slashes and the repeated h.

Compressin' further: shit

Yes! Shit!

SHIT: she, he, it.

Politically correct, woke, modern, inclusive, equal and absolutely in keepin' with how you, and, frankly, most of the forum members, think of man, er, I mean SHIT.

How's that grab you, age?

Do we have an accord?
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