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All Being is Free Relative to Void

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Freedom occurs through being.

Non being is an absence of freedom as it is nothing, not even being.

All being in contrast to Nothingness is free as freedom exists as part of this being. It exists as part of this being given the totality of being, in contrast to nothing, contains within it an element of freedom.

This element of freedom is the ability to move, an absence of being is an absence of the ability to move thus is absent of freedom.
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Ok, how is this different from Satre's thesis?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:58 pm Freedom occurs through being.
But you said a block of concrete is a being!!! :lol:

Non being is an absence of freedom as it is nothing, not even being.


All being in contrast to Nothingness is free as freedom exists as part of this being.
Circular argument
It exists as part of this being given the totality of being, in contrast to nothing, contains within it an element of freedom.
Tuttut. Self referral statement. "IT" in that sentence exists as part of itself, which is a contradiction. And the last clause also referring to "it", contradicts what you have already said.

This element of freedom is the ability to move, an absence of being is an absence of the ability to move thus is absent of freedom.
Please relate that to a piece of concrete!

:lol: :lol:
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:33 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:58 pm Freedom occurs through being.
But you said a block of concrete is a being!!! :lol:

Non being is an absence of freedom as it is nothing, not even being.


All being in contrast to Nothingness is free as freedom exists as part of this being.
Circular argument
It exists as part of this being given the totality of being, in contrast to nothing, contains within it an element of freedom.
Tuttut. Self referral statement. "IT" in that sentence exists as part of itself, which is a contradiction. And the last clause also referring to "it", contradicts what you have already said.

This element of freedom is the ability to move, an absence of being is an absence of the ability to move thus is absent of freedom.
Please relate that to a piece of concrete!

:lol: :lol:
1. A block of concrete is free to crumble...it is free to act. Compared to Nothingness all being is free through action, an action which could not exist if only there was nothing.

2. False, freedom is a part of being therefore freedom exists.

3. Freedom (it) exists as part of being. The second "it" refers to the totality of being. One "it" refers to one thing another "it" refers to another.

4. Dually something can exist as part of itself much in the same manner a singular line contains within it multiple lines. The one exists through parts which contain the original phenomenon.
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Fja1 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:25 pm Ok, how is this different from Satre's thesis?
Elaborate.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:14 pm
Fja1 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:25 pm Ok, how is this different from Satre's thesis?
Elaborate.
Q: What is necessary for freedom? A: Being.
Q: What is sufficient for freedom? A: Being.

Q; What is awareness? A: The ability to move (through thought).
Q: What is necessary for awareness? A: The element of freedom.
Q: What is sufficient for awareness? B: The element of freedom.
Q: What is the element of freedom? A: The ability to move.



I'm eager to know how being is both necessary and sufficient for being at the same time. (Ok, this is very different from Sartre, who argues that the necessary conditions for being are very different from the sufficient conditions for being.)
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Fja1 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:00 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:14 pm
Fja1 wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:25 pm Ok, how is this different from Satre's thesis?
Elaborate.
Q: What is necessary for freedom? A: Being.
Q: What is sufficient for freedom? A: Being.

Q; What is awareness? A: The ability to move (through thought).
Q: What is necessary for awareness? A: The element of freedom.
Q: What is sufficient for awareness? B: The element of freedom.
Q: What is the element of freedom? A: The ability to move.



I'm eager to know how being is both necessary and sufficient for being at the same time. (Ok, this is very different from Sartre, who argues that the necessary conditions for being are very different from the sufficient conditions for being.)
Being as both necessary and sufficient for being is circular. This circularity is form. Being is form.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:10 pmBeing as both necessary and sufficient for being is circular. This circularity is form. Being is form.
"Circularity is form"? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about,
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Fja1 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:16 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:10 pmBeing as both necessary and sufficient for being is circular. This circularity is form. Being is form.
"Circularity is form"? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about,
Circularity is a circle. A circle is a form.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:17 pmCircularity is a circle. A circle is a form.
How is being both necessary and sufficient for being "circular"? Do you mean that being necessary somehow entails being sufficient, and sufficient entails being necessary, cuz' that would be circular.
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Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:28 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:17 pmCircularity is a circle. A circle is a form.
How is being both necessary and sufficient for being "circular"? Do you mean that being necessary somehow entails being sufficient, and sufficient entails being necessary, cuz' that would be circular.
Yes, it results in being through being with this being through being resulting in a circularity.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:34 amYes, it results in being through being with this being through being resulting in a circularity.
Ok. I'm tapping out.
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Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:03 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:34 amYes, it results in being through being with this being through being resulting in a circularity.
Ok. I'm tapping out.
Being through being is circular thus being is guided by a form above it.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:14 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:33 pm [
Please relate that to a piece of concrete!

:lol: :lol:
1. A block of concrete is free to crumble...it is free to act. Compared to Nothingness all being is free through action, an action which could not exist if only there was nothing.
Wrong. The crumbling of a piece of concrete is utterly dependant on the weather conditions, temperature changes, and moisture. Were all these to stay constant concrete would NEVER decay.
It cannot act in any sense. Sentence two in inherently incoherent.

2. False, freedom is a part of being therefore freedom exists.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

3. Freedom (it) exists as part of being. The second "it" refers to the totality of being. One "it" refers to one thing another "it" refers to another.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

4. Dually something can exist as part of itself much in the same manner a singular line contains within it multiple lines. The one exists through parts which contain the original phenomenon.
Not relevant, and wrong. You are outstupiding yourself today.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:14 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:33 pm [
Please relate that to a piece of concrete!

:lol: :lol:
1. A block of concrete is free to crumble...it is free to act. Compared to Nothingness all being is free through action, an action which could not exist if only there was nothing.
Wrong. The crumbling of a piece of concrete is utterly dependant on the weather conditions, temperature changes, and moisture. Were all these to stay constant concrete would NEVER decay.
It cannot act in any sense. Sentence two in inherently incoherent.

2. False, freedom is a part of being therefore freedom exists.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

3. Freedom (it) exists as part of being. The second "it" refers to the totality of being. One "it" refers to one thing another "it" refers to another.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

4. Dually something can exist as part of itself much in the same manner a singular line contains within it multiple lines. The one exists through parts which contain the original phenomenon.
Not relevant, and wrong. You are outstupiding yourself today.
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