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Re: All Being is Free Relative to Void

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:34 am
Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:28 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:17 pmCircularity is a circle. A circle is a form.
How is being both necessary and sufficient for being "circular"? Do you mean that being necessary somehow entails being sufficient, and sufficient entails being necessary, cuz' that would be circular.
Yes, it results in being through being with this being through being resulting in a circularity.
A circle is circular; thereofore a circular thing is a circle..

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:34 am
Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:28 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:17 pmCircularity is a circle. A circle is a form.
How is being both necessary and sufficient for being "circular"? Do you mean that being necessary somehow entails being sufficient, and sufficient entails being necessary, cuz' that would be circular.
Yes, it results in being through being with this being through being resulting in a circularity.
A circle is circular; thereofore a circular thing is a circle..

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Is an inanimate object, such as a table, consubstantial in respect to a human?
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:48 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:14 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:33 pm [
Please relate that to a piece of concrete!

:lol: :lol:
1. A block of concrete is free to crumble...it is free to act. Compared to Nothingness all being is free through action, an action which could not exist if only there was nothing.
Wrong. The crumbling of a piece of concrete is utterly dependant on the weather conditions, temperature changes, and moisture. Were all these to stay constant concrete would NEVER decay.
It cannot act in any sense. Sentence two in inherently incoherent.

2. False, freedom is a part of being therefore freedom exists.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

3. Freedom (it) exists as part of being. The second "it" refers to the totality of being. One "it" refers to one thing another "it" refers to another.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

4. Dually something can exist as part of itself much in the same manner a singular line contains within it multiple lines. The one exists through parts which contain the original phenomenon.
Not relevant, and wrong. You are outstupiding yourself today.
1. All living being is respondent to impulses thus share the same nature of concrete as respondent to phenomenon.

2. False, freedom exists considering it is a part of being.

3. False, both "its" refer to different things, this is not circular.

4. False, a line is composed of many other lines thus is composed of itself.
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Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:40 pm Is an inanimate object, such as a table, consubstantial in respect to a human?
What do you mean by consubstantial?
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:51 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:34 am
Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:28 am

How is being both necessary and sufficient for being "circular"? Do you mean that being necessary somehow entails being sufficient, and sufficient entails being necessary, cuz' that would be circular.
Yes, it results in being through being with this being through being resulting in a circularity.
A circle is circular; thereofore a circular thing is a circle..

A nobcheese is nocheesy; Eodnhoj7 is a noccheese therefore Eodnhoj7 is a nobcheese.
Again you can't read. Being through being is circular. This circularity is a form. We observed being through forms. Being is self referential being of this being leading to form and this form leading to being. Being and form are inseperable.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:51 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:48 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:14 pm
1. A block of concrete is free to crumble...it is free to act. Compared to Nothingness all being is free through action, an action which could not exist if only there was nothing.
Wrong. T[he crumbling of a piece of concrete is utterly dependant on the weather conditions, temperature changes, and moisture. Were all these to stay constant concrete would NEVER decay.
It cannot act in any sense. Sentence two in inherently incoherent.

2. False, freedom is a part of being therefore freedom exists.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

3. Freedom (it) exists as part of being. The second "it" refers to the totality of being. One "it" refers to one thing another "it" refers to another.
Circular argument based on abuse of words.

4. Dually something can exist as part of itself much in the same manner a singular line contains within it multiple lines. The one exists through parts which contain the original phenomenon.
Not relevant, and wrong. You are outstupiding yourself today.

1. All living being is respondent to impulses thus share the same nature of concrete as respondent to phenomenon.

2. False, freedom exists considering it is a part of being.

3. False, both "its" refer to different things, this is not circular.

4. False, a line is composed of many other lines thus is composed of itself.
Yeah I particularly love it when a block of concrete runs for Senate.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:54 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:51 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:34 am

Yes, it results in being through being with this being through being resulting in a circularity.
A circle is circular; thereofore a circular thing is a circle..

A nobcheese is nocheesy; Eodnhoj7 is a noccheese therefore Eodnhoj7 is a nobcheese.
Again you can't read. Being through being is circular. This circularity is a form. We observed being through forms. Being is self referential being of this being leading to form and this form leading to being. Being and form are inseperable.
Being through being
Eh?

"inseperable"

Really? Is that a special word, for special people?
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:51 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:48 am
Wrong. T[he crumbling of a piece of concrete is utterly dependant on the weather conditions, temperature changes, and moisture. Were all these to stay constant concrete would NEVER decay.
It cannot act in any sense. Sentence two in inherently incoherent.

Circular argument based on abuse of words.

Circular argument based on abuse of words.


Not relevant, and wrong. You are outstupiding yourself today.

1. All living being is respondent to impulses thus share the same nature of concrete as respondent to phenomenon.

2. False, freedom exists considering it is a part of being.

3. False, both "its" refer to different things, this is not circular.

4. False, a line is composed of many other lines thus is composed of itself.
Yeah I particularly love it when a block of concrete runs for Senate.
And those living beings are responsive to impulses which drive the being to act. Being is responsive.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:03 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:54 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:51 am

A circle is circular; thereofore a circular thing is a circle..

A nobcheese is nocheesy; Eodnhoj7 is a noccheese therefore Eodnhoj7 is a nobcheese.
Again you can't read. Being through being is circular. This circularity is a form. We observed being through forms. Being is self referential being of this being leading to form and this form leading to being. Being and form are inseperable.
Being through being
Eh?

"inseperable"

Really? Is that a special word, for special people?
Being occurs through being.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:22 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:03 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:54 pm

Again you can't read. Being through being is circular. This circularity is a form. We observed being through forms. Being is self referential being of this being leading to form and this form leading to being. Being and form are inseperable.
Being through being
Eh?

"inseperable"

Really? Is that a special word, for special people?
Being occurs through being.
Yeah and stupidity occurs through stupidity.
It look like I am the only one feeding your thread, so its time to stop.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:52 pm
Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:40 pm Is an inanimate object, such as a table, consubstantial in respect to a human?
Is the table's being tantamount to my being, despite a different degree or aspect of (the element of) freedom?

I'm left to assume, like in many of your topics, that you're speaking epistemologically, not ontologically, but sadly, you do not affirm or reject this or specify whether there is a difference between "epistemologically" and "ontologically". (Why would there not be?)
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Fja1 wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:52 pm
Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:40 pm Is an inanimate object, such as a table, consubstantial in respect to a human?
Is the table's being tantamount to my being, despite a different degree or aspect of (the element of) freedom?

I'm left to assume, like in many of your topics, that you're speaking epistemologically, not ontologically, but sadly, you do not affirm or reject this or specify whether there is a difference between "epistemologically" and "ontologically". (Why would there not be?)
The table as observed is both forming of and formed by the observer. The table changes the persons actions when they sit at it thus forming the observer. Dually the person moving the table closer forms the actions of the table as existing.


Epistemology:

"the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion."

Ontology:

"1. the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being.
2. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them."




The distinguishment of justified belief from opinion shows the properties and relations between them as they are both phenomenon within the nature of being.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:54 pmThe table as observed is both forming of and formed by the observer. The table changes the persons actions when they sit at it thus forming the observer. Dually the person moving the table closer forms the actions of the table as existing.........
I'm struggling to discover the merits of your thesis as something which has been extensively but apparently not exhaustively investigated by Merleau-Ponty. (e. g. "tablification")... Perhaps there is a table which is different from a person in some way the idea of a table being "dynamized", ie. arising from a relationship two beings, rather than having an intrinsic existence by itself (see nominalism) and/or the "being" itself being the social conformity (Durkheim) rather than "a table".
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Fja1 wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:01 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:54 pmThe table as observed is both forming of and formed by the observer. The table changes the persons actions when they sit at it thus forming the observer. Dually the person moving the table closer forms the actions of the table as existing.........
I'm struggling to discover the merits of your thesis as something which has been extensively but apparently not exhaustively investigated by Merleau-Ponty. (e. g. "tablification")... Perhaps there is a table which is different from a person in some way the idea of a table being "dynamized", ie. arising from a relationship two beings, rather than having an intrinsic existence by itself (see nominalism) and/or the "being" itself being the social conformity (Durkheim) rather than "a table".
All being as empty in itself forms itself through relations with another phenomenon. Being is relation.
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