Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 am
If you do NOT think 'it' NEEDS to be EXPLAINED, then just TELL 'us' WHY 'you' CONTINUE DOING WRONG, in the days when this was written, by ABUSING "yourselves" and the 'world', in which you find "yourselves" in?
This is your "stuff"... and your limitation.
My "limitation" in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?
Your Honest answer would be MUCH APPRECIATED here.
Let 'us' SEE you SHOW the readers that you ACTUALLY KNOW what you are TALKING ABOUT here.
And, if you will NOT admit, even to "your own self", that you DO WRONG and abuse "others", and the 'world' you live in, (ultimately "yourselves"), then there is NOTHING needed to LOOK AT and CHANGE.
You can just carry on, as you are now, as though there is NO WRONG at all, and EVERYTHING is PERFECT how it currently is. Which, in turn, leads you to only carry on with the ABUSE that 'you' are DOING now, and which is WHAT would EVENTUALLY lead to the demise of human beings, themselves. Not that that is of ANY concern AT ALL in the True and BIG FULL Picture of things.
But, if you will NOT even be Honest with "your self", then I certainly do NOT expect 'you' to be Honest with "others" here, "lacewing".
Also, DO NOT FORGET that I have ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY Everything is PERFECT EXACTLY HOW It is NOW.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
You are seeing "wrong"... instead of seeing beyond that.
LOL Okay.
'you', "lacewing", SEE 'right'. Whereas, 'I', or ANY one "else" who does NOT SEE things as "lacewing" does, SEES "WRONG".
Sounds like you have some sort of NEED to TELL 'us', "wrong seeing beings", some thing here, correct?
Also, what is 'that', which you CLAIM I am NOT "seeing beyond"?
Furthermore, could it be A POSSIBILITY AT ALL in "lacewing's" 'world, and view and seeing of things, that I have ACTUALLY SEEN beyond what you ASSUME and/or BELIEVE I have.
ALSO, do NOT forget, that if you do NOT TELL 'us' what 'that' IS, which you can CLAIM I am NOT "seeing beyond", then 'we' have absolutely NO idea what 'you' are referring to, and if, in fact, you have ACTUALLY even SEEN beyond 'that', "yourself"?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 am
OF COURSE EVERY one has COMPLETE and FULL access to ALL that they NEED, and ALL that they are a part of. I am the one who has been STATING this FACT.
No, you are not "
the one" who has been stating this;
LOL
LOL
LOL
This is ANOTHER PRIME and PERFECT EXAMPLE of just how BLIND and CLOSED some human beings were, in the days when this was being written, BECAUSE of their OWN BELIEFS.
Now, what are you basing this, "No, you are not "
the one" who has been stating this" CLAIM on, EXACTLY?
When one LOOKS BACK at what I have ACTUALLY WRITTEN and SAID this that I have been STATING that EVERY one has COMPLETE and FULL access to ALL that they NEED, and ALL that they are a part of. In other words, I have been CLEARLY STATING that EVERY one has COMPLETE and FULL access to ALL-THERE-IS and/or thee ACTUAL Truth of things.
It is 'you', "lacewing", who BELIEVES otherwise. In other words, 'you' BELIEVE that I do NOT have, and can NOT KNOW, thee ACTUAL Truth of things, correct?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
rather you may be
one of many who sees and thinks this.
So, are you NOW SAYING that NOT EVERY one has COMPLETE and FULL access to ALL that they NEED, and ALL that they are a part of?
You appear to be VERY CONFUSED here, but HOPEFULLY you will make things CLEARER and BETTER UNDERSTOOD now. So, do 'I' and "others" ACTUALLY have COMPLETE and FULL access to ALL that we NEED, and ALL that we are a part of, OR NOT?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
But not everyone comes up with the same ideas and conclusions (or distortions) that make up your view.
OF COURSE NOT. This is because of the way the brain works and because of the OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT and INDIVIDUAL human bodies.
OBVIOUSLY, NOT EVERY body SEES and EXPERIENCES the EXACT SAME things, so VERY NATURALLY EVERY one, LITERALLY, comes up with DIFFERENT ideas and conclusions, that make up their view.
What is 'it', EXACTLY, which you are 'trying' so hard to RELAY here?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 amBUT, BECAUSE you BELIEVE I have been saying otherwise, then this all that you have been SEEING and HEARING in the ACTUAL WORDS that I have been WRITING and SAYING.
I think that any of us, including you and me, can shift our views any time...
I do NOT just 'think' this, I KNOW this.
In fact, I have been SAYING that it is IMPOSSIBLE to NOT shift views.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
so I am always open to that happening in others and myself.
I am NOT sure WHY you are ALWAYS OPEN to some thing that just OCCURS NATURALLY ANYWAY.
The ONLY time a view does NOT change is while a BELIEF that some thing is true is existing.
Within a body there is NOT a BELIEF, then views are CONSTANTLY CHANGING, and it is from CHANGING views HOW 'you', human beings, have been CONTINUALLY CHANGING VIEWS, which is what has ALLOWED 'you' to keep LEARNING and CREATING new and more things.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Yes, I have listened to you, and I have devoted a lot of energy to exchanging ideas with you, and commenting on the claims you make. The issue is not a misunderstanding of your words... it is a disagreement with some of your claims and false projections.
OF COURSE there has been DISAGREEMENT of my CLAIMS. This is EXACTLY because of the ACTUAL WAY I make them, and because of what ACTUALLY SAYING.
If there is ANY DISAGREEMENT with ANY, alleged, "false projections", then just PRODUCE the ACTUAL PROJECTION that I have PROVIDED in the EXACT SAME WORDS and PUNCTUATION that I have used, and then just EXPLAIN WHY 'that' is FALSE.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 am
I have NO 'need' to do absolutely ANY thing. However, because 'I' would like ALL human beings, and ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, to experience the life that they ALL Truly WANT and DESIRE, then I just want to SHARE what I have observed and experienced.
You are not unique in wanting that.
So, if this is what you WANT, then why do you NOT do what is NEEDED to CHANGE, for the better?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
You just like to blame everyone else for being the problem. Grow up.
I have NEVER "blamed" EVERY one "else" for being the "problem", for a few reasons.
LOL You are SO FAR OFF TRACK HERE, I am NOT sure where to begin.
And, there is SO MUCH we could GO INTO, LOOK AT, and DISCUSS here if you LIKE, that is; if you are PREPARED to be CHALLENGED and QUESTIONED ON them here?
Are you WILLING to do this?
Or, do you prefer to just MAKE CLAIMS, but NEVER do what is NECESSARY to back them up and support them?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 am
In your OWN little 'world' "lacewing" is it NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL that God is ACTUALLY manifesting, achieving, and ACTUALIZING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW?
Of course it is.
So, what IS the ACTUAL ISSUE that you are having so much trouble with here?
By the way, without clarification, YOUR ANSWER may or MAY NOT be answering the ACTUAL question I posed, to you.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
People experience it differently.
OF COURSE. And, depending on what the 'it' is EXACTLY here, contrary to YOUR BELIEF, this has NEVER been in DISPUTE.
I have ALLOWED 'you' to say and make claims about 'me' so that I have the PROOF to SHOW just how, whilst a BELIEF is being maintained, that person is NOT OPEN to thee ACTUAL Truth of things.
I have NEVER even SUGGESTED that 'it' is NOT experienced differently. But you BELIEVE otherwise.
You ALSO BELIEVE that "age" is reporting to KNOW thee ACTUAL Truth, like it has some RELIGIOUS BELIEF, which it wants EVERY one to AGREE WITH. And it is BECAUSE of this BELIEF with that body, the one known as "lacewing" here is just SO CONFUSED and SO COMPLETELY OFF TRACK and MISSING THE MARK.
Now, go and CLAIM that this is ANOTHER "projection" of mine, which is also "wrong", WITHOUT EVER backing up nor supporting YOUR CLAIMS.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 am
When, and IF, 'you' STOP BELIEVING what you OBVIOUSLY are here now, then you WILL STOP having the delusion, twisted, and distorted view, which you SEE now, and you WILL START SEEING what is ACTUALLY True and REAL here.
That sounds like your stuff...
And, OBVIOUSLY, 'that sounds like your stuff ...'. This is A GIVEN.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
that you're trying to project onto others.
And, you ADD this "project" word in, as though it gives YOUR STUFF, MORE WEIGHT.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Maybe YOU should listen more.
To WHAT, EXACTLY?
'you', people, here TRYING YOUR HARDEST to ridicule me, humiliate me, and condemn me, for JUST HAVING DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THINGS THAN YOU ALL DO.
I HAVE LISTENED, and I HAVE HEARD, ENOUGH, if thee ACTUAL Truth, BE KNOWN.
AND, you SOUND EXACTLY LIKE THOSE who BELIEVED that the sun revolves around the earth, and BECAUSE they were NOT LOOKING AT nor HEARING thee ACTUAL Truth of things the ONLY thing that could resort to was ridicule, humiliation, and condemning.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
YOU seem to be missing a lot that people are telling you.
What is there to MISS?
I could NOT POSSIBLY KNOW ANY thing, which is DIFFERENT to what you CURRENTLY BELIEVE is true, because if I did, then I would, and am ALREADY just an IDIOT and INSANE RETARD, among MANY other things, to MOST OF YOU here.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
There is a lot more truth than just your view.
Considering that you have NOT heard my view YET, then HOW would you even, supposedly, KNOW?
Now, you just MADE ANOTHER CLAIM, so SHOW us if you have the CAPABILITY to back this on up with the "lot more truth", than just I supposedly view.
OBVIOUSLY you WILL NOT DO THIS.
But, to WATCH you PROVE me WRONG would be EXHILARATING, as AT LEAST it will be some thing DIFFERENT than just continually SEEING UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 amLacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:53 pm
Any religious mindset that claims one person or group has the answers that must be relayed to everyone else is spinning a self-indulgent fantasy, which often becomes extreme and delusional.
YES we ALREADY KNOW that your childhood "lacewing" has had a very strong influence on how you SEE things now. But the quicker you STOP allowing your OWN childhood experiences to effect the way you SEE and VIEW things now, then the quicker you can start SEEING what thee ACTUAL Truth IS.
How does my past experience change the truth of what I said?
BECAUSE I am NOT DOING ABSOLUTELY ANY thing like what you are PURPORTING I am here. That is EXACTLY HOW your past experiences changes the, so called, "truth" of what you said here.
You just THINK and SEE that I am CLAIMING 'this', which could NOT be ANY FURTHER from thee ACTUAL Truth of things.
The reason WHY you THINK and SEE that I am CLAIMING 'this' IS because of the way you are viewing things here, which THAT VIEW comes from YOUR OWN Assumptions, which are based solely upon your OWN Previous Experiences.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
I do not feel limited by my past.
AND, what 'you' 'feel' is NOT ALWAYS True, Right, NOR even close to being Correct.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Again, you seem to be projecting your own stuff.
And AGAIN, you REPEAT the SAME THING.
Now, what EXACTLY is "my own stuff", which, SEEMS to you, that I am "projecting"?
Just CLAIMING, "you seem to be projecting your own stuff", WITHOUT ANY CLARIFICATION or ELABORATION is SAYING NOTHING AT ALL, REALLY.
I could ALSO STATE and SAY, "you seem to be projecting your own stuff", AS WELL.
BUT SO WHAT?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Pay honest attention to the way you do that, and you might see a whole lot more.
LOL
You can NOT and will NOT even ELABORATE on what you are TALKING ABOUT. This is BECAUSE of the way you just project your OWN stuff.
Now, I can MAKE THE CLAIM, that you are NOT paying HONEST ATTENTION to the way you do that, and if you did START PAYING HONEST ATTENTION, then you MIGHT see a WHOLE LOT MORE.
Which brings me to, What is the WHOLE LOT MORE, which, you CLAIM, I MIGHT SEE?
But what happens now is you WILL NOT SAY what this WHOLE LOT MORE ACTUALLY IS, and this is BECAUSE you do NOT even KNOW "yourself".
Unless, OF COURSE, you are going to PROVE me WRONG, by ACTUALLY backing up and supporting YOUR CLAIM, THIS TIME, which 'we' ALL would LOVE TO SEE, for A CHANGE.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:56 amIf you do NOT want to, at least, 'try' something NEW, and are PERFECTLY HAPPY with the way 'you' are, and the way the 'world' is, right now, then so be it. If you do NOT think that you NEED changing in any way, shape, nor form, then stay EXACTLY as you are now.
You have no idea how much I shift and flow and evolve, and live in the moment.
Do 'I' NOT?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
Again, you seem to be describing and projecting yourself and you don't even realize it.
And you describing and projecting "yourself" about how 'I' have NO IDEA how much 'you' shift and flow and evolve, and live in the moment, for ALL YOU KNOW could be a PERFECT and PRIME EXAMPLE of 'you', "lacewing", projecting "yourself". Or, is this NOT EVEN A POSSIBILITY, in "lacewing's" LITTLE 'world'?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
So many of these claims you make are just absolute garbage, Age --
REALLY?
Let us SEE just HOW MUCH 'you', the individual being, currently existing within that individual human body, ACTUALLY shifts, flows, evolves, and lives, in the moment?
You can do this by EXPLAINING just HOW 'you', through that body, ABUSE children, and the environment that children live in, and that 'you' will ACTUALLY CHANGE to PREVENT and STOP the HARM and DAMAGE that you are CONTINUALLY DOING to "others".
SHOW 'us' just HOW FREE and FLOWING 'you' REALLY ARE?
Your response, OR NON RESPONSE, will be VERY REVEALING.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
just like the ones you've made here that I've responded to. When you've previously received the feedback advising you of that, you ignore it and double-down and make excuses.
DO I?
Will you PROVIDE ACTUAL EVIDENCE and/or PROOF for this CLAIM of YOURS here?
And, if no, then WHY NOT?
But, OBVIOUSLY, if yes, then we WILL SEE that EVIDENCE or PROOF, correct?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
This is why you come across as delusional and foolish and dishonest.
I REALLY and Truly DO NOT CARE.
EVERY one who has said some thing DIFFERENT has come across delusional AND foolish AND dishonest to SOME person.
Sure you would be AWARE of just HOW delusional AND foolish AND dishonest 'you', "lacewing", comes across to SOME "others", correct?
Or, are 'you' REALLY NOT YET AWARE of this?
Also, you sound just like those who CLAIMED that the one who was INFORMING "them" that thee ACTUAL Truth IS; It is the earth that revolves around the sun, and NOT the other way around, that that one was delusional AND foolish AND dishonest BECAUSE that one had "previously received, so called, "feedback" advising them of such, which that one was TOLD that they were "ignoring it" and "doubling-down" and "making excuses" and ALL of the other things", INSTEAD of just LOOKING AT the ACTUAL WORDS being said, and DISCUSSING THEM ONLY.
The ONLY way these people, in those days, just like 'you', people, in these days, when this is being written, can OVER COME THEE ACTUAL Truth, is just TRY TO ridicule and humiliate the one EXPRESSING thee ACTUAL Truth of things.
The OBVIOUSNESS and RIDICULOUSNESS of this can be CLEARLY SEEN in the MOST STUPID OF REMARKS; The Universe is expanding because red shift is the 'evidence' of this. While COMPLETELY and UTTERLY IGNORING the FACT that there is blue shift, which OBVIOUSLY MUST BE 'evidence' for the OPPOSITE, that is; a CONTRACTING Universe.
And, when the STUPIDITY of making the remark red shift is 'evidence' for an EXPANDING Universe is POINTED OUT and HIGHLIGHTED, what those people who do NOT want to LOOK AT and DISCUSS this, RESORT TO is RIDICULE and HUMILIATION, without EVER even considering that that one MIGHT JUST HAVE a LOT more, NOT JUST 'evidence' but ACTUAL PROOF that what they CURRENTLY BELIEVE is true IS NOT.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
You (like countless zealots throughout history) are making claims and projections that you have no way of knowing.
LOL Yet here we are with THEE ONE known as "lacewing", who PURPORTS that they KNOW what can and can NOT be KNOWN.
LOL Do 'you', "lacewing", REALLY BELIEVE that 'you' KNOW the 'things', which 'we' have NO WAY OF KNOWING?
Your Honest answer here would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am
And you don't even have the honor to acknowledge all that you don't know. That's what ruins your credibility.
LOL Name ONE THING that you CLAIM 'I' do NOT KNOW?
Do this so that you can be SEEN to be AT LEAST 'TRYING TO' back up and support YOUR CLAIMS.
Also, do this, so that we AT LEAST have SOME thing to LOOK AT and DISCUSS. Because if you do NOT PROVIDE ANY thing, then you will NEVER ACTUALLY KNOW the things PURPORTED to be NOT KNOWN by 'me'.
AND, I have YET TO SEE 'you' 'have the honor to acknowledge ALL that you do NOT know', EITHER.
Do you KNOW of ANY one who has even had the honor to acknowledge ALL that they do NOT KNOW?
If no, then WHY EXPECT that from the one known as "age" here?
AND, have 'you' even considered the IMPOSSIBILITY of just HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE to acknowledge ALL that one does NOT KNOW? Especially considering the FACT that one can ALWAYS be, while FULLY conscious, obtaining NEW and MORE knowledge?
In fact, the MORE we LOOK INTO YOUR CLAIM here, the MORE ABSURD it can become.
However, if you just WANT, and/or EXPECT, me to just acknowledge that there are SOME things that i do NOT YET KNOW, then this is just an OBVIOUS FACT, which goes without saying, and therefore does NOT NEED SAYING. Unless, OF COURSE, you WERE BELIEVING OTHERWISE.