All being in contrast to void is free given freedom is ability to act. A complete determinism allows for free will given all cause and effect chains are free to act in contrast to nothing. Freedom is a subset to being given it is the ability to act. It is action that not only allows freedom but necessitates freedom as a part of being. This freedom is complete given a diverging cause and effect chain allows for various possibilities to occur in some degree, shape or form.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:41 pm "Determinism" is the view that all phenomena are determined.
"Freedom" (and "free will" as a subset of it) is the view that there are at least some phenomena that are not determined.
Those two positions are mutually exclusive. If you think that all phenomena are determined, then it can't be the case that some phenomena are free.
If you think that at least some phenomena are free, then you can't think that all phenomena are determined.
Free Will and Determinism Necessitate Eachother
Re: Free Will and Determinism Necessitate Eachother
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Re: Free Will and Determinism Necessitate Eachother
You still don't get it.
What is "uncaused" but also not "acausal"? Something eternal.
Re: Free Will and Determinism Necessitate Eachother
Acausality is an absence of being caused (ie uncaused), you are failing to see the definition:Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:49 amYou still don't get it.
What is "uncaused" but also not "acausal"? Something eternal.
Acausality:
"not involving causation or arising from a cause : not causal"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acausal
Eternity is an uncaused condition thus necessitates acausality.
You are just backed in a hole and making up terms now, you don't get it do you?
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No you have no response, according to the dictionary acausal means uncaused. The first cause was without cause thus an acausal cause.
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No, this is a response:
"Acausality is an absence of being caused (ie uncaused), you are failing to see the definition:
Acausality:
"not involving causation or arising from a cause : not causal"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acausal
Eternity is an uncaused condition thus necessitates acausality."
What is uncaused is acausal.
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Re: Free Will and Determinism Necessitate Eachother
Oh, the irony.