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Conceiving Nothing

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To conceive nothingness is to conceive a state which is void thus impressionable by any further percieved phenomena. In simpler terms to conceive of Nothingness is to conceive of a state which is open to all of being. Existence alone, in contrast to nothing, bears a truth value because it exists. We conceive of Nothingness by the acceptance of being alone considering any being which is accepted "as is" without thought given there is nothing behind the conceived being.

To conceive Nothingness is to conceive everything as there is nothing behind everything.
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That was like reading Heidegger's toilet paper.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 11:01 pm That was like reading Heidegger's toilet paper.
Your ad hominum only points to the lack of intellect and argument on your part. I see you still have no thoughts of your own as usual.

Anyhow, nothingness is a purely axiomatic state as nothingness lies behind all that is taken without thought as axiomatic.
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That one was more like reading Zizek's skidmarks. A 50% reduction in quality in other words, and this tepid thread is still only on its first page. There's no hope, nowhere left to go but but the bagel shaped cheesecake of despair, wailing the cries of the misbegotten as we plumet into the axiomatic, something something, blah blah, mongoose in specatacles, etc etc .... void.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 12:57 am That one was more like reading Zizek's skidmarks. A 50% reduction in quality in other words, and this tepid thread is still only on its first page. There's no hope, nowhere left to go but but the bagel shaped cheesecake of despair, wailing the cries of the misbegotten as we plumet into the axiomatic, something something, blah blah, mongoose in specatacles, etc etc .... void.
Efficiency is king, no use beating around the bushes like most philosophy.

So is Nothingness axiomatic? Or can you only do poorly written ad hominums? Personally I don't think you can discuss the subject without making little sense.
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Re: Conceiving Nothing

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"To conceive Nothingness is to conceive everything as there is nothing behind everything."
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Nothing (no thing) behind everything is possible if the nothing (no thing) is a state: Existence. Nothing; in the sense of non-existence, cannot be behind everything because it is neither a thing nor a state. A void; a vacuum that is an absence of form and an absence of force has nothing to contribute and everything would have to magically appear out of no thing and no state.
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owl of Minerva wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 1:48 am "To conceive Nothingness is to conceive everything as there is nothing behind everything."
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Nothing (no thing) behind everything is possible if the nothing (no thing) is a state: Existence. Nothing; in the sense of non-existence, cannot be behind everything because it is neither a thing nor a state. A void; a vacuum that is an absence of form and an absence of force has nothing to contribute and everything would have to magically appear out of no thing and no state.
Nothing is behind everything as only being exists; any axiom which is taken without thought (nothing) has behind the axiom nothing. Take the axiom of the line, behind the line there is nothing. Only the line exists. Behind being is nothing.

The void of void, as void must be void of void if true void is to be observed (ie no observation), necessitates only being existing as void does not exist considering void is an absence of existence. Being comes from nothing as the voiding of void much in the same manner a double negative results in a positive. Behind existence is no state (void) as only being exists.

To say being is behind being is to observe multiple states of existence with a gap between existences. This gap is an absence of being thus even between multiple beings a gap occurs behind being. Because being is prior to being, multiple states occur thus necessitating behind being is also void with this void being the seperation of beings which allows for distinction.
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"Nothing is behind everything as only being exists; "

"Because being is prior to being, multiple states occur thus necessitating behind being is also void with this void being the separation of beings which allows for distinction."
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A void cannot exist if Existence, as a state, is all that exists.

When you talk of "being prior to being" that presupposes the finite which has multiple distinctions separated by space which we know is not a void. The electromagnetic field perceived as a great vacuum (not a void); is a vacuum not because of the absence of force, there is force, but because of the absence of the force(s) it engenders which in turn is a vacuum because of the absence of the organic things they in turn engender.

There apparently is not any void either beyond motion or within it. What is referred to as a vacuum is what is void of properties that is not pertinent to it. 'Nature abhors a vacuum' means empty of matter. A void would be empty of everything even force.
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owl of Minerva wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 3:53 pm "Nothing is behind everything as only being exists; "

"Because being is prior to being, multiple states occur thus necessitating behind being is also void with this void being the separation of beings which allows for distinction."
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A void cannot exist if Existence, as a state, is all that exists.

When you talk of "being prior to being" that presupposes the finite which has multiple distinctions separated by space which we know is not a void. The electromagnetic field perceived as a great vacuum (not a void); is a vacuum not because of the absence of force, there is force, but because of the absence of the force(s) it engenders which in turn is a vacuum because of the absence of the organic things they in turn engender.

There apparently is not any void either beyond motion or within it. What is referred to as a vacuum is what is void of properties that is not pertinent to it. 'Nature abhors a vacuum' means empty of matter. A void would be empty of everything even force.
One being as distinct from another observes one phenomenon as containing that which the other lacks. This lacking is void. Void is absence. One being as distinct from another, ie is a point of change from one being to another as that is what distinction is (that which stands apart thus resulting in multiplicity), necessitates void. This void occurs through multiplicity.

Speaking of a pure void, or pure absence is a contradiction as one is observing nothing and calling it something. Thus pure void is a contradiction in not just terms but in actuality as an absence of reason. The contradiction exists as contradiction thus void exists as void.

A pure void cannot exist at all as it is an absence of existence. Neither can a void be proven as to proven nothing is to have no proof as one is proving nothing.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote:

"One being as distinct from another observes one phenomenon as containing that which the other lacks. This lacking is void. Void is absence. One being as distinct from another, ie is a point of change from one being to another as that is what distinction is (that which stands apart thus resulting in multiplicity), necessitates void. This void occurs through multiplicity.

Speaking of a pure void, or pure absence is a contradiction as one is observing nothing and calling it something. Thus pure void is a contradiction in not just terms but in actuality as an absence of reason. The contradiction exists as contradiction thus void exists as void.

A pure void cannot exist at all as it is an absence of existence. Neither can a void be proven as to proven nothing is to have no proof as one is proving nothing."
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Void, or perceived void, through multiplicity; void as perception, you have a point there.

You appear to be saying that there is not a void, that it is a contradiction. I could not agree more. Science is not there yet. It yet has to prove that something did not come from nothing which will take time.
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owl of Minerva wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:32 pmYou appear to be saying that there is not a void, that it is a contradiction. I could not agree more. Science is not there yet. It yet has to prove that something did not come from nothing which will take time.
Perhaps you might consider the duality of void/non-void to be false?

Existence is hardly as we perceive it, yet think it. Reality is elemental [our intellect completely fails us as we move towards each extreme, simplicity and complexity].
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owl of Minerva wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:32 pm Eodnhoj7 wrote:

"One being as distinct from another observes one phenomenon as containing that which the other lacks. This lacking is void. Void is absence. One being as distinct from another, ie is a point of change from one being to another as that is what distinction is (that which stands apart thus resulting in multiplicity), necessitates void. This void occurs through multiplicity.

Speaking of a pure void, or pure absence is a contradiction as one is observing nothing and calling it something. Thus pure void is a contradiction in not just terms but in actuality as an absence of reason. The contradiction exists as contradiction thus void exists as void.

A pure void cannot exist at all as it is an absence of existence. Neither can a void be proven as to proven nothing is to have no proof as one is proving nothing."
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Void, or perceived void, through multiplicity; void as perception, you have a point there.

You appear to be saying that there is not a void, that it is a contradiction. I could not agree more. Science is not there yet. It yet has to prove that something did not come from nothing which will take time.
But the proof already exists that something did not, and could not, come from nothing. The proof that thee One and ONLY Universe is infinite and eternal already exists.
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Conceiving nothing is an extremely simple and easy process.
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Age wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 12:52 am
owl of Minerva wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:32 pm Eodnhoj7 wrote:

"One being as distinct from another observes one phenomenon as containing that which the other lacks. This lacking is void. Void is absence. One being as distinct from another, ie is a point of change from one being to another as that is what distinction is (that which stands apart thus resulting in multiplicity), necessitates void. This void occurs through multiplicity.

Speaking of a pure void, or pure absence is a contradiction as one is observing nothing and calling it something. Thus pure void is a contradiction in not just terms but in actuality as an absence of reason. The contradiction exists as contradiction thus void exists as void.

A pure void cannot exist at all as it is an absence of existence. Neither can a void be proven as to proven nothing is to have no proof as one is proving nothing."
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Void, or perceived void, through multiplicity; void as perception, you have a point there.

You appear to be saying that there is not a void, that it is a contradiction. I could not agree more. Science is not there yet. It yet has to prove that something did not come from nothing which will take time.
But the proof already exists that something did not, and could not, come from nothing. The proof that thee One and ONLY Universe is infinite and eternal already exists.
To say something comes from a prior being is to say one thing results in the variation of another thing. Being from being is variation where the new phenomenon is a variation of the prior. This variation necessitates one phenomenon as having something another phenomenon lacks. This lack, as an absence, necessitates a void between phenomena. This void appears prior to the new phenomena as that which seperates it from the old, thus these new changes result in being coming from nothing at the same time being comes from being.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 5:42 pm
Age wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 12:52 am
owl of Minerva wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:32 pm Eodnhoj7 wrote:

"One being as distinct from another observes one phenomenon as containing that which the other lacks. This lacking is void. Void is absence. One being as distinct from another, ie is a point of change from one being to another as that is what distinction is (that which stands apart thus resulting in multiplicity), necessitates void. This void occurs through multiplicity.

Speaking of a pure void, or pure absence is a contradiction as one is observing nothing and calling it something. Thus pure void is a contradiction in not just terms but in actuality as an absence of reason. The contradiction exists as contradiction thus void exists as void.

A pure void cannot exist at all as it is an absence of existence. Neither can a void be proven as to proven nothing is to have no proof as one is proving nothing."
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Void, or perceived void, through multiplicity; void as perception, you have a point there.

You appear to be saying that there is not a void, that it is a contradiction. I could not agree more. Science is not there yet. It yet has to prove that something did not come from nothing which will take time.
But the proof already exists that something did not, and could not, come from nothing. The proof that thee One and ONLY Universe is infinite and eternal already exists.
To say something comes from a prior being is to say one thing results in the variation of another thing.
Okay.

Who, exactly, says, "something comes from a prior being", by the way?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 5:42 pm Being from being is variation where the new phenomenon is a variation of the prior. This variation necessitates one phenomenon as having something another phenomenon lacks. This lack, as an absence, necessitates a void between phenomena. This void appears prior to the new phenomena as that which seperates it from the old, thus these new changes result in being coming from nothing at the same time being comes from being.
What, exactly, does the word 'being' mean or refer to, to you?
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