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Re: The Soul and Death

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:54 pm
Ell wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 8:03 pm Shouldn't you define what you mean by "soul" before saying anything else about it? A suitable definition must include origin, purpose, and properties.
A soul is that which observes itself and other phenomenon thus exists through a self referential loop and loop between itself and other beings. A soul is a loop.

A loop is that which repeats thus to observe is the manifest repetition through the repeating images (ie memory), thus the soul is memory. This memory is a loop.

The inversion of one image to another, as the change of images in observation, is thought, thus the soul is thought. This thought as inversion, or change, is the turning of one image to another therefore a loop as well.

The soul is thought and memory and as such is 2 loops. The loops repeat and turn into eachother thus result in a third loop. The soul is a triad of loops.
Well that is really truly loopy!
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RCSaunders wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 1:10 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:52 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:30 pm
Yes. From being to not being.
From one context to another context. Not being, as in nothing, is an absence if being hence context.
Nope. The context is existence. When the apple forms on the tree it begins to exist. When it is picked and eaten it ceases to exist. When a human being is born it begins to exist. When he dies he ceases to exist. Before the apple was formed there was no apple and after it is eaten there is no apple. A human being after death is exactly like a human being before birth, non-existent. All in the same context of those things which do exist.
Context is existence. The movement from being to non being is a form of change from one state to another with this new context of being containing an absence of the prior context thus resulting in void.

Being cannot change from being to complete non being as complete non being is a complete absence of context and existence is context. Being changes from one context to another. The apple exists and then is eaten resulting in a change of contexts where the apple is reduced from one state to another. Its non being is the absence of prior contexts of existence but these contexts change to newer contexts.

The voiding of the apple is the point where the apple changes from one state to another, the voiding of context is the multiplication of contexts as only being exists considering nothing is behind it. This self negation of Nothingness is the continuity of being as there is no nothing only being.


The continuity of Nothingness as non being is self negating thus resulting in a continuity of being. The continuity of the contradiction of no Nothingness is the continuity of being. Void is continuous as it is absent of being hence absent of time and space.
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Re: The Soul and Death

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RCSaunders wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 1:15 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:54 pm
Ell wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 8:03 pm Shouldn't you define what you mean by "soul" before saying anything else about it? A suitable definition must include origin, purpose, and properties.
A soul is that which observes itself and other phenomenon thus exists through a self referential loop and loop between itself and other beings. A soul is a loop.

A loop is that which repeats thus to observe is the manifest repetition through the repeating images (ie memory), thus the soul is memory. This memory is a loop.

The inversion of one image to another, as the change of images in observation, is thought, thus the soul is thought. This thought as inversion, or change, is the turning of one image to another therefore a loop as well.

The soul is thought and memory and as such is 2 loops. The loops repeat and turn into eachother thus result in a third loop. The soul is a triad of loops.
Well that really truly loopy!
Yes it is.
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Re: The Soul and Death

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:38 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 5:24 pm

Near Death Experiences seem to prove the opposite.
Rubbish.
I think you are missing the meaning of the word NEAR.
The victim died.
False. Death is final. The brain remains alive longer than the heart. Definitions of clinical death do not encompass brain death, as that is final.
Then the victim was resucitated.
If the person had been truly dead then no resus would have been possible.
QED: They did not die.

The victim was dead then not dead thus near the permanence of death.
NEAR death means not dead.
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Re: The Soul and Death

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Sculptor wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 9:43 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:38 am

Rubbish.
I think you are missing the meaning of the word NEAR.
The victim died.
False. Death is final. The brain remains alive longer than the heart. Definitions of clinical death do not encompass brain death, as that is final.
Then the victim was resucitated.
If the person had been truly dead then no resus would have been possible.
QED: They did not die.

The victim was dead then not dead thus near the permanence of death.
NEAR death means not dead.
1. "An NDE often involves vivid and complex mentation, sensation and memory formation under circumstances of complete disabling of brain function during general anesthesia or near-complete cessation of cerebral blood flow and oxygen uptake during cardiac arrest." Wikipedia.

NDEs can occur during complete disabling of brain function.



https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... the-brain/

"The underlying neurological sequence of events in a near-death experience is difficult to determine with any precision because of the dizzying variety of ways in which the brain can be damaged. Furthermore, NDEs do not strike when the individual is lying inside a magnetic scanner or has his or her scalp covered by a net of electrodes."




2. They would be revivable under clinical death. The second source claims revival under biological death.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50681489. Six hours without a beating heart is one record.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsto ... hours.html.

May 26, 2008 — For more than 17 hours doctors failed to detect any brain activity, despite extensive attempts to revive"


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317645




3. Near death is to be within a state of death as in a grade of it, however some people are clinically dead and brought back to life. Clinical death is death. Biological death is death.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 6:58 pmClinical death is death. Biological death is death.
I think we are done here too
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