The thing 'fact-in-itself' is synonymous with fact-by-itself, thing-in-itself, the noumenon which are attributed to things that are absolutely independent of the human conditions, i.e. the exist even if there are no humans.
You think it is nonsense because you are ignorant, and as I had stated is influenced by the bastardized philosophies of the logical positivists and classical analytic philosophers.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:56 amThis is just complete nonsense. What's the case isn't determined by consensus, aside from the consensus being determined by that.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:32 am But it is impossible for an independent fact-in-itself to exists as real.
What is intersubjective consensus is on the reality and objectivity of an ASSUMED 'what is the case', feature of reality, state of affairs, the fact-in-itself and the likes.
There is no way to and it is a fallacy to claim what is ASSUMED is really real.
To simply reify what is 'ASSUMED' as real is delusional.
What we are most certain is the total experiences we experienced which can be confirmed empirically and reinforced philosophically.
To ensure what is experienced is really real the most effective means is to verify and justified the experienced empirically and philosophically upon a credible framework and system of reality [FSR, FSK], e.g. the scientific FSK.
All FSKs are interdependent with the human conditions.
Therein the specific FSK we give names to specific pattern of experiences of reality in parallel to the ASSUMED reality, i.e. that is the case, the fact-in-itself, and the likes.
Therefore what is most real is that total experience we have.
To be confidence of what we deemed as most real, this is confirmed by verifying and justifying the experienced-reality empirically and philosophically upon a credible framework and system of reality [FSR, FSK], e.g. the scientific FSK.
Thus what is really real can only be a qualified reality which is co-shared based on intersubjective consensus upon a credible FSK, thus objective, i.e. independent of any individual's beliefs or opinion.
There is no way one can reify and claim what is ASSUMED as the really real that it independent of the human conditions, i.e. as an independent fact-in-itself or fact-by-itself.
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