Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
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Re: Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
I haven't studied it, but from what I've heard, it seems to have been motivated by his sexual issues.
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They say that’s what he said. Did you see his picture? Someone who tries to look that ugly has some self-loathing issues. How about drugs laying waste to impulse control and overall rationality.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:08 pm I haven't studied it, but from what I've heard, it seems to have been motivated by his sexual issues.
What he said indicates he knew what he was doing, so he can't be trusted around human beings again.
In one of the 911 calls the dispatcher spoke with a woman who was in the building with the shooter. The woman was hiding and whispering. The dispatcher wanted to have a long conversation, which would mean lots more whispering that could alert the shooter.
Stupid mistake by the dispatcher.
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Re: Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
Yes, it is wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage if that government supports free speech.Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:28 pmIt's a simple yes or no question.
This is a philosophy forum. Stop being an idiot.
It's about principles.
Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage?
Do you have knowledge of any such government?
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Yeah, I've seen that before with 911 calls, where the dispatcher wants the caller to keep talking where it wouldn't be prudent to do so. I understand they want to get as much info as possible, and the idea is also that it might help calm the caller, but it's sometimes not a good idea to encourage them to make noise.Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:18 pm In one of the 911 calls the dispatcher spoke with a woman who was in the building with the shooter. The woman was hiding and whispering. The dispatcher wanted to have a long conversation, which would mean lots more whispering that could alert the shooter.
Stupid mistake by the dispatcher.
Re: Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
Let's isolate the principle without qualifiers.commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:32 pmYes, it is wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage if that government supports free speech.
Do you have knowledge of any such government?
Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage, whether or not that government supports free speech?
Yes or no. Take a chance, then start philosophizing.
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Re: Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
Eh?Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:26 pmBut what happens if one just hates 'humans', and started killing "them", that one would not have to dehumanize anyone, correct?Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:44 amKilling several of the same type of human would involve hating and dehumanising I think.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:03 am
Hmm. Well, you have another good point. I do think there can be a difference between dehumanization and hate. Though, I think the two are probably connected. For example, if you hate someone, then, yes, you will likely dehumanize them. However, you can dehumanize people without necessarily hating them. I suppose you might even hate someone without dehumanizing them. I don't know.
I don't know enough about the shooting to really say (I haven't been watching much about it), but from what little I have seen, it sounds like it could qualify as a hate crime, maybe.
Dehumanizing could actual produce the opposite outcome in that scenario correct?
What do you think, exactly, is the "opposite outcome" ???
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Re: Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
No.Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:44 pmLet's isolate the principle without qualifiers.commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:32 pmYes, it is wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage if that government supports free speech.
Do you have knowledge of any such government?
Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage, whether or not that government supports free speech?
Do you know of any government that legislates pronoun usage or is your whole line of thought just bullshit?
Edited: replaced “dictates” with “legislates”.
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Re: Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
Yes, this is a philosphy Forum so stop being an idiot.Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:28 pmIt's a simple yes or no question.
This is a philosophy forum. Stop being an idiot.
It's about principles.
Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage?
As far as I know that is no move to legislate pronoun usage.
Please cite!
Re: Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex
Even if that were true, it would not matter.
Murder is definitively unjust killing. There is no getting over that.
We have other words for killing that is justifyable: homicide, manslaughter ..
In every country that uses the word murder, murder is unjust killing.So, are you now suggesting that the laws in EVERY country are the same?
If no, then how the word 'murder' is defined, in 'legal' terms, in one country is not necessarily how that word is defined, legally or not, in another country, thus that word is NOT "universally" accepted.
I do not care what you think.So, are you now saying that the word 'murder' is only defined as "unjust killing" in 'legal' terms only?.
LOL If you think or believe that what is JUST, or JUSTICE, itself, is a 'legal' thing/system, then no wonder some of 'you', human beings, are so confused, and thus so deceived, in regards to what is ACTUALLY Right and Wrong in Life.
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Firstly, I NEVER said 'is' the opposite outcome. I, instead, said 'could' produce the opposite outcome.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:11 pmEh?
What do you think, exactly, is the "opposite outcome" ???
Now I suggest thinking about what the word 'dehumanizing' refers to, and how if someone who hates 'humans' and wants to kill 'humans', and then what 'could' happen if that one started 'dehumanizing' human beings. Obviously, the opposite could happen, that is; they could start liking those human beings who are being dehumanized.
Does this make sense now? Or, can you still not comprehend and understand this?
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But it is only "not true", according to you.
Also, if 'you', human beings, want to have a Truly OPEN discussion about what is actually 'just' and 'unjust', then it matters a great deal.
LOL You have NOT even provided just one place where it is written that "murder is 'unjust' killing".
If someone was 'murdered' because they were about to kill a thousand other human beings, for example, then some would say that that is actually a 'justifiable killing'. Although it may still be an 'unlawful killing'.
You just saying this is one thing. But are you able to provide prove that this is the case?Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:16 pmIn every country that uses the word murder, murder is unjust killing.So, are you now suggesting that the laws in EVERY country are the same?
If no, then how the word 'murder' is defined, in 'legal' terms, in one country is not necessarily how that word is defined, legally or not, in another country, thus that word is NOT "universally" accepted.
If yes, then will you?
Well prove this by NOT replying to what I think.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:16 pmI do not care what you think.So, are you now saying that the word 'murder' is only defined as "unjust killing" in 'legal' terms only?.
LOL If you think or believe that what is JUST, or JUSTICE, itself, is a 'legal' thing/system, then no wonder some of 'you', human beings, are so confused, and thus so deceived, in regards to what is ACTUALLY Right and Wrong in Life.
Also, what you care or not care about here has NO actual relationship to what I wrote. That is; If you really think or believe that 'justice' is a legal issue only, then you have been more deceived, and are thus more confused, than I first realized.
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Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:39 pmFirstly, I NEVER said 'is' the opposite outcome. I, instead, said 'could' produce the opposite outcome.
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YEAH what is that?You area talking nonsense.
Now I suggest thinking about what the word 'dehumanizing' refers to, and how if someone who hates 'humans' and wants to kill 'humans', and then what 'could' happen if that one started 'dehumanizing' human beings. Obviously, the opposite could happen, that is; they could start liking those human beings who are being dehumanized.I think you are confused.
Does this make sense now? Or, can you still not comprehend and understand this?
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I really, really do not care to continue with you.Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:56 pmBut it is only "not true", according to you.
Also, if 'you', human beings, want to have a Truly OPEN discussion about what is actually 'just' and 'unjust', then it matters a great deal.
LOL You have NOT even provided just one place where it is written that "murder is 'unjust' killing".
If someone was 'murdered' because they were about to kill a thousand other human beings, for example, then some would say that that is actually a 'justifiable killing'. Although it may still be an 'unlawful killing'.
You just saying this is one thing. But are you able to provide prove that this is the case?Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:16 pmIn every country that uses the word murder, murder is unjust killing.
So, are you now suggesting that the laws in EVERY country are the same?
If no, then how the word 'murder' is defined, in 'legal' terms, in one country is not necessarily how that word is defined, legally or not, in another country, thus that word is NOT "universally" accepted.
If yes, then will you?
Well prove this by NOT replying to what I think.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:16 pmI do not care what you think.
So, are you now saying that the word 'murder' is only defined as "unjust killing" in 'legal' terms only?.
LOL If you think or believe that what is JUST, or JUSTICE, itself, is a 'legal' thing/system, then no wonder some of 'you', human beings, are so confused, and thus so deceived, in regards to what is ACTUALLY Right and Wrong in Life.
Also, what you care or not care about here has NO actual relationship to what I wrote. That is; If you really think or believe that 'justice' is a legal issue only, then you have been more deceived, and are thus more confused, than I first realized.
Please reference Dunning Kruger effect.
You think you know what you are talking about; you do not.
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You really cannot work it out by "yourself", correct?
If in order to murder another human being one has to or does dehumanize that human being, then, if one just hates human beings and is killing "them", then dehumanizing human beings might have the opposite effect on that 'one'.
Now does this make sense, to you?
Okay. If this is what you BELIEVE is true and you have absolutely NO further curiosity, then let us just leave this with 'you' BELIEVING that 'I' am talking nonsense, okay?Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:30 pmYou area talking nonsense.Now I suggest thinking about what the word 'dehumanizing' refers to, and how if someone who hates 'humans' and wants to kill 'humans', and then what 'could' happen if that one started 'dehumanizing' human beings. Obviously, the opposite could happen, that is; they could start liking those human beings who are being dehumanized.
I think you are confused.
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Okay. But 'what' do you think I am 'confused' about EXACTLY?
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Again, we will have to wait and see.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:32 pmI really, really do not care to continue with you.Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:56 pmBut it is only "not true", according to you.
Also, if 'you', human beings, want to have a Truly OPEN discussion about what is actually 'just' and 'unjust', then it matters a great deal.
LOL You have NOT even provided just one place where it is written that "murder is 'unjust' killing".
If someone was 'murdered' because they were about to kill a thousand other human beings, for example, then some would say that that is actually a 'justifiable killing'. Although it may still be an 'unlawful killing'.
You just saying this is one thing. But are you able to provide prove that this is the case?
If yes, then will you?
Well prove this by NOT replying to what I think.
Also, what you care or not care about here has NO actual relationship to what I wrote. That is; If you really think or believe that 'justice' is a legal issue only, then you have been more deceived, and are thus more confused, than I first realized.
Already referenced.
Wait till you learn about how the Mind and the brain actually work, and then you might learn how 'you' are looking at this from the brain, and the BELIEF system, ONLY, which is leading 'you' to conclude things as being true, right, and correct here, without any actual supporting evidence nor proof for 'you' "conclusion".
You have just made Assumptions, based on your own Previous Experiences ONLY, and then have JUMPED to a CONCLUSION, which you BELIEVE is absolutely true, right, and correct. And, as such, you are completely and utterly CLOSED.
This behavior, which you are showing a PRIME EXAMPLE of, will become known as APE behavior.