Atlanta Shootings: Hate or Sex

[Sculptor]

it was a liberal democrat love crime

-Imp

Stroopid c u n t

[Sculptor]

Using the wrong pronoun is considered a hate crime these days.

No it is not.

[Gary Childress]

Let’s suppose, as a mind experiment, that the following is true regarding the Atlanta shootings that resulted in 8 dead Asian Americans and the arrest of the alleged perpetrator:

Robert Aaron Long had a fetish that young Asian women would perform sex acts for him at massage parlors. This perp had become ashamed of himself because of this fetish—so ashamed that he would murder masseuses in order to rid himself of his ungodly sexual addiction.

The legal definition of a hate crime to be used for this thread:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime

Do you suppose that Long committed a racial hate crime or a sexual hate crime?

For purposes of discussion, let’s assume that either sex or hste can be a distinct reason of its own.

Assumption not valid.
Since you have characterised his "fetish", it is clear that it is based on cultural definitions of race, and that then clearly makes this crime a racist attack.
The loon clearly thinks women of Asian origin are of a lesser kind than women of other types. He is a racist to the core.

That's a good point. It does sound like it could be a matter of not fully respecting Asian women as full human beings if it was indeed some sort of fetish the guy was having with Asian women. So even if it wasn't directly connected to hate, it sounds like it was more a crime connected with dehumanization. But, then again, most crimes probably are connected to dehumanization (aside from so called ones committed out of pure desperation in need of something life-sustaining like food).

[Sculptor]

Let’s suppose, as a mind experiment, that the following is true regarding the Atlanta shootings that resulted in 8 dead Asian Americans and the arrest of the alleged perpetrator:

Robert Aaron Long had a fetish that young Asian women would perform sex acts for him at massage parlors. This perp had become ashamed of himself because of this fetish—so ashamed that he would murder masseuses in order to rid himself of his ungodly sexual addiction.

The legal definition of a hate crime to be used for this thread:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime

Do you suppose that Long committed a racial hate crime or a sexual hate crime?

For purposes of discussion, let’s assume that either sex or hste can be a distinct reason of its own.

Assumption not valid.
Since you have characterised his "fetish", it is clear that it is based on cultural definitions of race, and that then clearly makes this crime a racist attack.
The loon clearly thinks women of Asian origin are of a lesser kind than women of other types. He is a racist to the core.

That's a good point. It does sound like it could be a matter of not fully respecting Asian women as full human beings if it was indeed some sort of fetish the guy was having with Asian women. So even if it wasn't directly connected to hate, it sounds like it was more a crime connected with dehumanization. But, then again, most crimes probably are connected to dehumanization (aside from so called ones committed out of pure desperation in need of something life-sustaining like food).

I do not make a clear distinction between "hate" and dehumanization, as you seem to here. Surely the latter includes the former?

[Gary Childress]

Assumption not valid.
Since you have characterised his "fetish", it is clear that it is based on cultural definitions of race, and that then clearly makes this crime a racist attack.
The loon clearly thinks women of Asian origin are of a lesser kind than women of other types. He is a racist to the core.

That's a good point. It does sound like it could be a matter of not fully respecting Asian women as full human beings if it was indeed some sort of fetish the guy was having with Asian women. So even if it wasn't directly connected to hate, it sounds like it was more a crime connected with dehumanization. But, then again, most crimes probably are connected to dehumanization (aside from so called ones committed out of pure desperation in need of something life-sustaining like food).

I do not make a clear distinction between "hate" and dehumanization, as you seem to here. Surely the latter includes the former?

Hmm. Well, you have another good point. I do think there can be a difference between dehumanization and hate. Though, I think the two are probably connected. For example, if you hate someone, then, yes, you will likely dehumanize them. However, you can dehumanize people without necessarily hating them. I suppose you might even hate someone without dehumanizing them. I don't know.

I don't know enough about the shooting to really say (I haven't been watching much about it), but from what little I have seen, it sounds like it could qualify as a hate crime, maybe.

[Walker]

Using the wrong pronoun is considered a hate crime these days.

No it is not.

Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage?

[Age]

Do you suppose that Long committed a racial hate crime or a sexual hate crime?

He murdered.

He killed without just cause.

That's it, that's all.

Is there a 'just cause' for a murder, in your view?

[Sculptor]

That's a good point. It does sound like it could be a matter of not fully respecting Asian women as full human beings if it was indeed some sort of fetish the guy was having with Asian women. So even if it wasn't directly connected to hate, it sounds like it was more a crime connected with dehumanization. But, then again, most crimes probably are connected to dehumanization (aside from so called ones committed out of pure desperation in need of something life-sustaining like food).

I do not make a clear distinction between "hate" and dehumanization, as you seem to here. Surely the latter includes the former?

Hmm. Well, you have another good point. I do think there can be a difference between dehumanization and hate. Though, I think the two are probably connected. For example, if you hate someone, then, yes, you will likely dehumanize them. However, you can dehumanize people without necessarily hating them. I suppose you might even hate someone without dehumanizing them. I don't know.

I don't know enough about the shooting to really say (I haven't been watching much about it), but from what little I have seen, it sounds like it could qualify as a hate crime, maybe.

Killing several of the same type of human would involve hating and dehumanising I think.

[Sculptor]

Do you suppose that Long committed a racial hate crime or a sexual hate crime?

He murdered.

He killed without just cause.

That's it, that's all.

Is there a 'just cause' for a murder, in your view?

That is a silly question since "murder" is defined literally as "unjust" killing.

Killing can have justifications.

Murder has yet to be established in this case since there is a presumption of innocence until judgement is passed.

[Sculptor]

Using the wrong pronoun is considered a hate crime these days.

No it is not.

Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage?

I think you need to make some basic distinctions.

Have the government legislated on pronoun usage?

And have they made an infraction of pronoun usage a "hate crime".

Stop being a rightard twat!

[Age]

Do you suppose that Long committed a racial hate crime or a sexual hate crime?

He murdered.

He killed without just cause.

That's it, that's all.

Is there a 'just cause' for a murder, in your view?

That is a silly question since "murder" is defined literally as "unjust" killing.

So, in your view, 'murder' is ALWAYS unjust, correct?

Also, WHERE is the word 'murder' defined literally as unjust killing? And, is this a "universally" accepted definition?

By the way, I have seen the word 'murder' defined, literally, as an unlawful killing, but not as as unjust killing.

Killing can have justifications.

Murder has yet to be established in this case since there is a presumption of innocence until judgement is passed.

[Sculptor]

Is there a 'just cause' for a murder, in your view?

That is a silly question since "murder" is defined literally "unjust" killing.

So, in your view, 'murder' is ALWAYS as unjust, correct?

If killing is just then it is not murder. Murder is illegal killing. By definition "ujust".

Also, WHERE is the word 'murder' defined literally as unjust killing? And, is this a "universally" accepted definition?

Yes. Murder is a legal term.

By the way, I have seen the word 'murder' defined, literally, as an unlawful killing, but not as as unjust killing.

Same thing. Justice is a legal system.

Killing can have justifications.

Murder has yet to be established in this case since there is a presumption of innocence until judgement is passed.

[Age]

I do not make a clear distinction between "hate" and dehumanization, as you seem to here. Surely the latter includes the former?

Hmm. Well, you have another good point. I do think there can be a difference between dehumanization and hate. Though, I think the two are probably connected. For example, if you hate someone, then, yes, you will likely dehumanize them. However, you can dehumanize people without necessarily hating them. I suppose you might even hate someone without dehumanizing them. I don't know.

I don't know enough about the shooting to really say (I haven't been watching much about it), but from what little I have seen, it sounds like it could qualify as a hate crime, maybe.

Killing several of the same type of human would involve hating and dehumanising I think.

But what happens if one just hates 'humans', and started killing "them", that one would not have to dehumanize anyone, correct?

Dehumanizing could actual produce the opposite outcome in that scenario correct?

[Walker]

No it is not.

Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage?

I think you need to make some basic distinctions.

Have the government legislated on pronoun usage?

And have they made an infraction of pronoun usage a "hate crime".

Stop being a rightard twat!

It's a simple yes or no question.

This is a philosophy forum. Stop being an idiot.

It's about principles.

Is it wrong for a government to legislate pronoun usage?

[Age]

That is a silly question since "murder" is defined literally "unjust" killing.

So, in your view, 'murder' is ALWAYS as unjust, correct?

If killing is just then it is not murder. Murder is illegal killing. By definition "ujust".

But what is 'legal' or 'illegal' does not necessarily have any bearing on what is actually 'just' or 'unjust'.

Also, WHERE is the word 'murder' defined literally as unjust killing? And, is this a "universally" accepted definition?

Yes.

So, are you now suggesting that the laws in EVERY country are the same?

If no, then how the word 'murder' is defined, in 'legal' terms, in one country is not necessarily how that word is defined, legally or not, in another country, thus that word is NOT "universally" accepted.

Murder is a legal term.

So, are you now saying that the word 'murder' is only defined as "unjust killing" in 'legal' terms only?.

By the way, I have seen the word 'murder' defined, literally, as an unlawful killing, but not as as unjust killing.

Same thing. Justice is a legal system.

LOL If you think or believe that what is JUST, or JUSTICE, itself, is a 'legal' thing/system, then no wonder some of 'you', human beings, are so confused, and thus so deceived, in regards to what is ACTUALLY Right and Wrong in Life.