Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:55 pm
And there are no facts re whether you should pay your taxes. It just depends on what you desire.
I don't know about you, but I don't dismiss my desires as non-factual.
Either it is the case that you desire to pay your taxes (given the implications).
Or it is the case that you don't desire to pay your taxes (given the implications).
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:13 pm
Neither. The one universe we have is one where there are no facts about what you should desire.
So in one universe I should desire coffee.
In another universe I shouldn't desire coffee.
Which universe do you think I am in?
If there are no facts on the matter how could I possibly find out what my desires are ?!?!
You simply have whatever desires you do. It's not a fact that you SHOULD have one desire or the other (where you might have the opposite of the desire you should have).
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:22 pm
You simply have whatever desires you do. It's not a fact that you SHOULD have one desire or the other (where you might have the opposite of the desire you should have).
So in one universe shoulds are facts.
In another universe shoulds are not facts.
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:22 pm
You simply have whatever desires you do. It's not a fact that you SHOULD have one desire or the other (where you might have the opposite of the desire you should have).
So in one universe shoulds are facts.
In another universe shoulds are not facts.
Which universe are you in?
The second, obviously (aside from the fact that people have whatever dispositions they do, which is not the issue here).
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:24 pm
The second, obviously (aside from the fact that people have whatever dispositions they do, which is not the issue here).
What experiment did you perform to distinguish the two cases?
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:24 pm
The second, obviously (aside from the fact that people have whatever dispositions they do, which is not the issue here).
What experiment did you perform to distinguish the two cases?
Searching for anything that could count as an extramental "should/ought"