This lacks the nuance of time.
If you could choose your time of death would you choose to die sooner, or die later?
No, I am not biased by my instinct to believe that I will survive death. I have an argument for that.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 amSince it is inevitable and there are no benefits why worry with the future, in this case the idea is false anyway.
However for the majority, especially theists, there are psychological benefits in clinging on the to idea of surviving physical death even it is not provable and false.
You are not aware, but you also attempting to sustain consonance from cognitive dissonance with such a false belief.
Not obvious physical pains, but subliminal pains.What pain?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:45 am I'll reply the same, the main reason why you are insisting in such a definition of the self as a soul that can survive physical death [a falsehood] is purely as a consonance to resolve an existential cognitive dissonance.
You get a sense of psychological comfort and equanimity by clinging to such a definition.
Trying to give up this definition will trigger terrible psychological pains and unease.
Agree?
Note for theists, the idea of a soul that survives physical death will suppress terrible subliminal pains from an existential cognitive dissonance.
If this idea is threatened, they will feel very uneasy and their inherent defense mechanisms will be triggered to defend that idea [illusory].
It is very common those who threaten such false ideas of eternal life are killed or subject to terrible evil acts.
Declaring Allah* do not exists in a city square in Afghanistan is very likely to get one killed by a mob of fundamentalist Muslims.
* an Allah who guaranteed their soul that survives physical death will be taken to paradise with a bonus of 72 virgins.
In the past non-Christians who threatened the ideas of eternal life of Christians were burned on stakes by paranoid Christians.
Arguments alone on speculations are not realistic.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:55 pmNo, I am not biased by my instinct to believe that I will survive death. I have an argument for that.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 amSince it is inevitable and there are no benefits why worry with the future, in this case the idea is false anyway.
However for the majority, especially theists, there are psychological benefits in clinging on the to idea of surviving physical death even it is not provable and false.
You are not aware, but you also attempting to sustain consonance from cognitive dissonance with such a false belief.
Not obvious physical pains, but subliminal pains.What pain?
Note for theists, the idea of a soul that survives physical death will suppress terrible subliminal pains from an existential cognitive dissonance.
If this idea is threatened, they will feel very uneasy and their inherent defense mechanisms will be triggered to defend that idea [illusory].
It is very common those who threaten such false ideas of eternal life are killed or subject to terrible evil acts.
Declaring Allah* do not exists in a city square in Afghanistan is very likely to get one killed by a mob of fundamentalist Muslims.
* an Allah who guaranteed their soul that survives physical death will be taken to paradise with a bonus of 72 virgins.
In the past non-Christians who threatened the ideas of eternal life of Christians were burned on stakes by paranoid Christians.
No it is a succession of causes.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:37 amThe question of which comes first is purely a psychological issue of cognitive dissonance.
The focus should be on the empirically verifiable and justifiable 'egg' and 'chicken' so that we can rear the chicken, collect the eggs and eat them to survive.
Near death experiences.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:37 amArguments alone on speculations are not realistic.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:55 pmNo, I am not biased by my instinct to believe that I will survive death. I have an argument for that.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 am
Since it is inevitable and there are no benefits why worry with the future, in this case the idea is false anyway.
However for the majority, especially theists, there are psychological benefits in clinging on the to idea of surviving physical death even it is not provable and false.
You are not aware, but you also attempting to sustain consonance from cognitive dissonance with such a false belief.
Not obvious physical pains, but subliminal pains.
Note for theists, the idea of a soul that survives physical death will suppress terrible subliminal pains from an existential cognitive dissonance.
If this idea is threatened, they will feel very uneasy and their inherent defense mechanisms will be triggered to defend that idea [illusory].
It is very common those who threaten such false ideas of eternal life are killed or subject to terrible evil acts.
Declaring Allah* do not exists in a city square in Afghanistan is very likely to get one killed by a mob of fundamentalist Muslims.
* an Allah who guaranteed their soul that survives physical death will be taken to paradise with a bonus of 72 virgins.
In the past non-Christians who threatened the ideas of eternal life of Christians were burned on stakes by paranoid Christians.
Proof??
Show verified and justified [empirically and philosophically] evidences anyone has survive confirmed physical death.
I have proof for it.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:37 amArguments alone on speculations are not realistic.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:55 pmNo, I am not biased by my instinct to believe that I will survive death. I have an argument for that.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:20 am
Since it is inevitable and there are no benefits why worry with the future, in this case the idea is false anyway.
However for the majority, especially theists, there are psychological benefits in clinging on the to idea of surviving physical death even it is not provable and false.
You are not aware, but you also attempting to sustain consonance from cognitive dissonance with such a false belief.
Not obvious physical pains, but subliminal pains.
Note for theists, the idea of a soul that survives physical death will suppress terrible subliminal pains from an existential cognitive dissonance.
If this idea is threatened, they will feel very uneasy and their inherent defense mechanisms will be triggered to defend that idea [illusory].
It is very common those who threaten such false ideas of eternal life are killed or subject to terrible evil acts.
Declaring Allah* do not exists in a city square in Afghanistan is very likely to get one killed by a mob of fundamentalist Muslims.
* an Allah who guaranteed their soul that survives physical death will be taken to paradise with a bonus of 72 virgins.
In the past non-Christians who threatened the ideas of eternal life of Christians were burned on stakes by paranoid Christians.
Proof??
Show verified and justified [empirically and philosophically] evidences anyone has survive confirmed physical death.
I have contact with my father and many others. They are in me and sometimes outside me.
They are. I investigated them carefully. They talk to me and their behaviors are coherent. Like me and you.
I am not. I am very healthy right now.
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