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The concept of the perfect circle continually repeats across multiple observers thereby making the perfect circle infinite.

It is the continual repetition of a phenomenon which makes it infinite.

For example a continually progressive function of the number line necessitates 1 existing in perpetual variation given each number is the number one repeating itself. Under this number line progression 1 exists as perpetually changing thus 1 is repeating in newer and newer variation through the numbers which follow from it.

1 as perpetually changing is 1 as an action. One as a continual action is 1 as infinite.

Infinity is perpetual change as action and can never be observed in its entirety except through the source which repeats itself under newer and newer variation. Infinity can be observed in the number 1 given 1 is infinite through perpetual change.

Infinity thus can be observed through the finite where the finite is the point of change from one phenomenon to another. Each finite object is infinite through its continual change with this change from one finite phenomenon to another being multiple infinities.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am The concept of the perfect circle continually repeats across multiple observers thereby making the perfect circle infinite.
But concepts only started with human beings, and thus the concept of the perfect circle 'had to' also have a start, and therefore could not be infinite.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am It is the continual repetition of a phenomenon which makes it infinite.

For example a continually progressive function of the number line necessitates 1 existing in perpetual variation given each number is the number one repeating itself. Under this number line progression 1 exists as perpetually changing thus 1 is repeating in newer and newer variation through the numbers which follow from it.

1 as perpetually changing is 1 as an action. One as a continual action is 1 as infinite.

Infinity is perpetual change as action and can never be observed in its entirety except through the source which repeats itself under newer and newer variation. Infinity can be observed in the number 1 given 1 is infinite through perpetual change.

Infinity thus can be observed through the finite where the finite is the point of change from one phenomenon to another. Each finite object is infinite through its continual change with this change from one finite phenomenon to another being multiple infinities.
Is it possible you could explain what 'it' is that you are 'trying to' explain in another way?
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Age wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:22 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am The concept of the perfect circle continually repeats across multiple observers thereby making the perfect circle infinite.
But concepts only started with human beings, and thus the concept of the perfect circle 'had to' also have a start, and therefore could not be infinite.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am It is the continual repetition of a phenomenon which makes it infinite.

For example a continually progressive function of the number line necessitates 1 existing in perpetual variation given each number is the number one repeating itself. Under this number line progression 1 exists as perpetually changing thus 1 is repeating in newer and newer variation through the numbers which follow from it.

1 as perpetually changing is 1 as an action. One as a continual action is 1 as infinite.

Infinity is perpetual change as action and can never be observed in its entirety except through the source which repeats itself under newer and newer variation. Infinity can be observed in the number 1 given 1 is infinite through perpetual change.

Infinity thus can be observed through the finite where the finite is the point of change from one phenomenon to another. Each finite object is infinite through its continual change with this change from one finite phenomenon to another being multiple infinities.
Is it possible you could explain what 'it' is that you are 'trying to' explain in another way?
1. Concepts do not have to start with human beings if the universe is self aware. Given observation is the replication of forms, with this replication of forms in itself being a form considering one observation branches to another observation which follows a branching form, observation is universal. The manifestation of forms through forms, as observation through observation, is infinite given a continuum of change which exists through the ever present "now". The infinite cycles of forms being repeated necessitates an underlying cycle to all being thus necessitating a perfect circle.

2. One repeats itself in infinite variation through the numbers which follow it on a number line as composed of one. One as perpetually changing into newer variations is one as infinite.

3. Infinity is perpetual change as the ever present "now" which is always changing.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:22 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am The concept of the perfect circle continually repeats across multiple observers thereby making the perfect circle infinite.
But concepts only started with human beings, and thus the concept of the perfect circle 'had to' also have a start, and therefore could not be infinite.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am It is the continual repetition of a phenomenon which makes it infinite.

For example a continually progressive function of the number line necessitates 1 existing in perpetual variation given each number is the number one repeating itself. Under this number line progression 1 exists as perpetually changing thus 1 is repeating in newer and newer variation through the numbers which follow from it.

1 as perpetually changing is 1 as an action. One as a continual action is 1 as infinite.

Infinity is perpetual change as action and can never be observed in its entirety except through the source which repeats itself under newer and newer variation. Infinity can be observed in the number 1 given 1 is infinite through perpetual change.

Infinity thus can be observed through the finite where the finite is the point of change from one phenomenon to another. Each finite object is infinite through its continual change with this change from one finite phenomenon to another being multiple infinities.
Is it possible you could explain what 'it' is that you are 'trying to' explain in another way?
1. Concepts do not have to start with human beings if the universe is self aware. Given observation is the replication of forms, with this replication of forms in itself being a form considering one observation branches to another observation which follows a branching form, observation is universal. The manifestation of forms through forms, as observation through observation, is infinite given a continuum of change which exists through the ever present "now". The infinite cycles of forms being repeated necessitates an underlying cycle to all being thus necessitating a perfect circle.
ALL OF THIS is just PLAIN OBVIOUS, but thee Universe is NOT Self aware until a species has evolved, with the ability to become Self aware.

Thee Universe needs a species to evolve with the ability to be conscious and with the ability to store and recall information before It could become Self aware.

Concepts can not begin until a species has evolved with the ability to conceptualize. Human beings are this species.

In fact, concepts could not literally begin until human beings evolved and created the term and phrase 'concepts'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm2. One repeats itself in infinite variation through the numbers which follow it on a number line as composed of one. One as perpetually changing into newer variations is one as infinite.
Again, OBVIOUSLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm3. Infinity is perpetual change as the ever present "now" which is always changing.
ONCE MORE. OBVIOUS.

But I think you have missed my point. What is 'it' that you want to say and explain, which you think or believe we do not already know?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am
Infinity is perpetual change as action and can never be observed in its entirety
yes, more Aristotle explained that potential, dynamic infinity can be, in the form of perpetual repetition in time, in contrast to the actual, static, simultaneous, - which is nonsense.
That is, there may be an infinite process, but there cannot be an infinite thing at the moment.
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Age wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:01 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:22 am

But concepts only started with human beings, and thus the concept of the perfect circle 'had to' also have a start, and therefore could not be infinite.



Is it possible you could explain what 'it' is that you are 'trying to' explain in another way?
1. Concepts do not have to start with human beings if the universe is self aware. Given observation is the replication of forms, with this replication of forms in itself being a form considering one observation branches to another observation which follows a branching form, observation is universal. The manifestation of forms through forms, as observation through observation, is infinite given a continuum of change which exists through the ever present "now". The infinite cycles of forms being repeated necessitates an underlying cycle to all being thus necessitating a perfect circle.
ALL OF THIS is just PLAIN OBVIOUS, but thee Universe is NOT Self aware until a species has evolved, with the ability to become Self aware.

Thee Universe needs a species to evolve with the ability to be conscious and with the ability to store and recall information before It could become Self aware.

Concepts can not begin until a species has evolved with the ability to conceptualize. Human beings are this species.

In fact, concepts could not literally begin until human beings evolved and created the term and phrase 'concepts'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm2. One repeats itself in infinite variation through the numbers which follow it on a number line as composed of one. One as perpetually changing into newer variations is one as infinite.
Again, OBVIOUSLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm3. Infinity is perpetual change as the ever present "now" which is always changing.
ONCE MORE. OBVIOUS.

But I think you have missed my point. What is 'it' that you want to say and explain, which you think or believe we do not already know?
All is self aware.

The evolution of conscious is consciousness changing from one form to another. We do not evolve to consciousness but rather consciousness evolves into further consciousness. This evolution from consciousness to consciousness is the replication of forms given consciousness exists through form.

Consciousness begins with a point of awareness, a cyclical repeating and a linear progression of form, thus stems from a point, circle and line. Consciousness as form is form repeating through form. Considering consciousness is inseperable from form, all forms of reality exist as conscious.
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Janoah wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:06 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:12 am
Infinity is perpetual change as action and can never be observed in its entirety
yes, more Aristotle explained that potential, dynamic infinity can be, in the form of perpetual repetition in time, in contrast to the actual, static, simultaneous, - which is nonsense.
That is, there may be an infinite process, but there cannot be an infinite thing at the moment.
The infinite repetition of the number 1 through the number line mandates 1 as infinite. Infinity is the perpetual now as change.

1 is infinite in the moment due to its continual change.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:44 pm
The infinite repetition of the number 1 through the number line mandates 1 as infinite. Infinity is the perpetual now as change.

1 is infinite in the moment due to its continual change.
infinity can be seen in size and time.
Infinite length at the moment is obvious nonsense.
The infinity in time of a separately taken thing is also untenable, every thing is changeable and collapses over time. You can try to give an example of something taken separately, eternal. (1 is a mathematical abstraction that does not really exist physically).
(belief in something eternal material thing, perhaps, underlies the belief in idols).
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Janoah wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:26 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:44 pm
The infinite repetition of the number 1 through the number line mandates 1 as infinite. Infinity is the perpetual now as change.

1 is infinite in the moment due to its continual change.
infinity can be seen in size and time.
Infinite length at the moment is obvious nonsense.
The infinity in time of a separately taken thing is also untenable, every thing is changeable and collapses over time. You can try to give an example of something taken separately, eternal. (1 is a mathematical abstraction that does not really exist physically).
(belief in something eternal material thing, perhaps, underlies the belief in idols).
A line as composed of infinite lines is the infinite observed through the finite. Finiteness is multiple infinities.

The nature of number, as quantity thus inseperable from form, is inseperable from the line.
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let's say there is an infinitely long the leg of a right triangle , then the hypotenuse is longer than an infinitely long leg, and this is nonsense.

Again, the abstract line does not exist physically like the abstract number. And the physical line drawn with a pencil still exists today, and tomorrow it has already been erased.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:01 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm

1. Concepts do not have to start with human beings if the universe is self aware. Given observation is the replication of forms, with this replication of forms in itself being a form considering one observation branches to another observation which follows a branching form, observation is universal. The manifestation of forms through forms, as observation through observation, is infinite given a continuum of change which exists through the ever present "now". The infinite cycles of forms being repeated necessitates an underlying cycle to all being thus necessitating a perfect circle.
ALL OF THIS is just PLAIN OBVIOUS, but thee Universe is NOT Self aware until a species has evolved, with the ability to become Self aware.

Thee Universe needs a species to evolve with the ability to be conscious and with the ability to store and recall information before It could become Self aware.

Concepts can not begin until a species has evolved with the ability to conceptualize. Human beings are this species.

In fact, concepts could not literally begin until human beings evolved and created the term and phrase 'concepts'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm2. One repeats itself in infinite variation through the numbers which follow it on a number line as composed of one. One as perpetually changing into newer variations is one as infinite.
Again, OBVIOUSLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:14 pm3. Infinity is perpetual change as the ever present "now" which is always changing.
ONCE MORE. OBVIOUS.

But I think you have missed my point. What is 'it' that you want to say and explain, which you think or believe we do not already know?
All is self aware.
Yes, and which is known by 'you', human beings, as thee True Self.

Thee ALL is Self aware, and thus KNOWS thy Self.

'you're, human beings are gradually evolving to become aware of thy Self also.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmThe evolution of conscious is consciousness changing from one form to another.
But Consciousness, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another another form. Consciousness is what 'It' IS, and remains that way.

Just like thee Universe, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another form. The Universe also is what 'It's IS, and remains that way. HOWEVER, thee Universe changies in shape and in form, always.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pm We do not evolve to consciousness but rather consciousness evolves into further consciousness.
Why would ANY one think or say that 'they' or 'we' evolve into consciousness?

Who and/or what would ANY one thinking or saying that, think 'they' or 'we' are exactly?

It could be said that consciousness evolves into further Consciousness, or further Knowing, of thy Self. Until 'It'/this 'One' KNOWS thy Self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmThis evolution from consciousness to consciousness is the replication of forms given consciousness exists through form.
Yes 'I' KNOW, to 'you', this is ALL continual 'replications of forms', which can also just be expressed as;

The One and only, always existing, Universe is continually evolving/changing in shape and in form.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmConsciousness begins with a point of awareness, a cyclical repeating and a linear progression of form, thus stems from a point, circle and line. Consciousness as form is form repeating through form. Considering consciousness is inseperable from form, all forms of reality exist as conscious.
In 'your' view, correct?
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Age wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:00 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pm
Age wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:01 am

ALL OF THIS is just PLAIN OBVIOUS, but thee Universe is NOT Self aware until a species has evolved, with the ability to become Self aware.

Thee Universe needs a species to evolve with the ability to be conscious and with the ability to store and recall information before It could become Self aware.

Concepts can not begin until a species has evolved with the ability to conceptualize. Human beings are this species.

In fact, concepts could not literally begin until human beings evolved and created the term and phrase 'concepts'.



Again, OBVIOUSLY.



ONCE MORE. OBVIOUS.

But I think you have missed my point. What is 'it' that you want to say and explain, which you think or believe we do not already know?
All is self aware.
Yes, and which is known by 'you', human beings, as thee True Self.

Thee ALL is Self aware, and thus KNOWS thy Self.

'you're, human beings are gradually evolving to become aware of thy Self also.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmThe evolution of conscious is consciousness changing from one form to another.
But Consciousness, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another another form. Consciousness is what 'It' IS, and remains that way.

Just like thee Universe, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another form. The Universe also is what 'It's IS, and remains that way. HOWEVER, thee Universe changies in shape and in form, always.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pm We do not evolve to consciousness but rather consciousness evolves into further consciousness.
Why would ANY one think or say that 'they' or 'we' evolve into consciousness?

Who and/or what would ANY one thinking or saying that, think 'they' or 'we' are exactly?

It could be said that consciousness evolves into further Consciousness, or further Knowing, of thy Self. Until 'It'/this 'One' KNOWS thy Self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmThis evolution from consciousness to consciousness is the replication of forms given consciousness exists through form.
Yes 'I' KNOW, to 'you', this is ALL continual 'replications of forms', which can also just be expressed as;

The One and only, always existing, Universe is continually evolving/changing in shape and in form.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmConsciousness begins with a point of awareness, a cyclical repeating and a linear progression of form, thus stems from a point, circle and line. Consciousness as form is form repeating through form. Considering consciousness is inseperable from form, all forms of reality exist as conscious.
In 'your' view, correct?
All awareness is grounded in form, the change of one form to another is the change of one state of consciousness to another.

The change of one conscious state into another is the change of forms. Forms are self aware as the universe is self aware.
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Janoah wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:44 am let's say there is an infinitely long the leg of a right triangle , then the hypotenuse is longer than an infinitely long leg, and this is nonsense.

Again, the abstract line does not exist physically like the abstract number. And the physical line drawn with a pencil still exists today, and tomorrow it has already been erased.
One infinity can be larger than another if there are multiple infinities. An example of this would be one line as longer than another with both lines being composed of infinite line.

The abstract line/number exists however they may not be physical only. Existence is definition, definition comes through form, all that which has form exists.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:00 am
Age wrote: Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:00 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pm

All is self aware.
Yes, and which is known by 'you', human beings, as thee True Self.

Thee ALL is Self aware, and thus KNOWS thy Self.

'you're, human beings are gradually evolving to become aware of thy Self also.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmThe evolution of conscious is consciousness changing from one form to another.
But Consciousness, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another another form. Consciousness is what 'It' IS, and remains that way.

Just like thee Universe, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another form. The Universe also is what 'It's IS, and remains that way. HOWEVER, thee Universe changies in shape and in form, always.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pm We do not evolve to consciousness but rather consciousness evolves into further consciousness.
Why would ANY one think or say that 'they' or 'we' evolve into consciousness?

Who and/or what would ANY one thinking or saying that, think 'they' or 'we' are exactly?

It could be said that consciousness evolves into further Consciousness, or further Knowing, of thy Self. Until 'It'/this 'One' KNOWS thy Self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmThis evolution from consciousness to consciousness is the replication of forms given consciousness exists through form.
Yes 'I' KNOW, to 'you', this is ALL continual 'replications of forms', which can also just be expressed as;

The One and only, always existing, Universe is continually evolving/changing in shape and in form.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:42 pmConsciousness begins with a point of awareness, a cyclical repeating and a linear progression of form, thus stems from a point, circle and line. Consciousness as form is form repeating through form. Considering consciousness is inseperable from form, all forms of reality exist as conscious.
In 'your' view, correct?
All awareness is grounded in form, the change of one form to another is the change of one state of consciousness to another.

The change of one conscious state into another is the change of forms. Forms are self aware as the universe is self aware.
What does the word 'forms' here mean, to you?
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Change is the universal substrate of the universe.
Infinity = etc.
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