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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:35 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:23 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:18 pm
It's not based on any empirical data. (That is, the probability claims qua probability claims.)


???

Frequentist data. We'd need at least one iteration. We've not had an iteration of the entire history of the universe.
Are you talking about two iterations?
No, one. we've not had one iteration of the entire history of the universe. It's an ongoing project. We won't have the entire history until it's over.
Infinity+infinity=infinity therefore the whole+whole=whole. Voila, you have two iterations.
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bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:38 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:35 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:23 pm
Are you talking about two iterations?
No, one. we've not had one iteration of the entire history of the universe. It's an ongoing project. We won't have the entire history until it's over.
Infinity+infinity=infinity therefore the whole+whole=whole. Voila, you have two iterations.
You mean you've finished infinity already?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:50 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:38 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:35 pm

No, one. we've not had one iteration of the entire history of the universe. It's an ongoing project. We won't have the entire history until it's over.
Infinity+infinity=infinity therefore the whole+whole=whole. Voila, you have two iterations.
You mean you've finished infinity already?
That is a property of infinity. I am not finishing anything.
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bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:00 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:50 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:38 pm
Infinity+infinity=infinity therefore the whole+whole=whole. Voila, you have two iterations.
You mean you've finished infinity already?
That is a property of infinity. I am not finishing anything.
To have at least one iteration we need to have an entire history of the universe. Do we have that?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:04 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:00 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:50 pm

You mean you've finished infinity already?
That is a property of infinity. I am not finishing anything.
To have at least one iteration we need to have an entire history of the universe. Do we have that?
We are interested in the final stage. There is no final stage. The future is boundless.
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bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:07 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:04 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:00 pm
That is a property of infinity. I am not finishing anything.
To have at least one iteration we need to have an entire history of the universe. Do we have that?
We are interested in the final stage. There is no final stage. The future is boundless.
So then the answer is "No," right?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:17 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:07 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:04 pm

To have at least one iteration we need to have an entire history of the universe. Do we have that?
We are interested in the final stage. There is no final stage. The future is boundless.
So then the answer is "No," right?
Yes, but what this has to do with the fact that everything is possible right now.
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bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:17 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:07 pm
We are interested in the final stage. There is no final stage. The future is boundless.
So then the answer is "No," right?
Yes, but what this has to do with the fact that everything is possible right now.
I don't agree that there's any reason to believe that "everything is possible"
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:30 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:17 pm

So then the answer is "No," right?
Yes, but what this has to do with the fact that everything is possible right now.
I don't agree that there's any reason to believe that "everything is possible"
Why not? The whole is boundless. Do you have any reason that there are no other realities?
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bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:33 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:30 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Yes, but what this has to do with the fact that everything is possible right now.
I don't agree that there's any reason to believe that "everything is possible"
Why not? The whole is boundless. Do you have any reason that there are no other realities?
Boundlessness has nothing whatsoever to do with possibilities.

"Other realities" would have to be clarified.
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:41 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:33 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:30 pm

I don't agree that there's any reason to believe that "everything is possible"
Why not? The whole is boundless. Do you have any reason that there are no other realities?
Boundlessness has nothing whatsoever to do with possibilities.

"Other realities" would have to be clarified.
The boundlessness of possibilities is rooted in the ever changing nature of these possibilities.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:47 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:41 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:33 pm
Why not? The whole is boundless. Do you have any reason that there are no other realities?
Boundlessness has nothing whatsoever to do with possibilities.

"Other realities" would have to be clarified.
The boundlessness of possibilities is rooted in the ever changing nature of these possibilities.
"Boundless possibilities" would have something to do with possibilities, lol.

Is that what we switched to talking about instead of talking about the universe in general?
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:41 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:33 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:30 pm

I don't agree that there's any reason to believe that "everything is possible"
Why not? The whole is boundless. Do you have any reason that there are no other realities?
Boundlessness has nothing whatsoever to do with possibilities.
It has. Think of life. The chance for having life in a larger universe is larger. That is obvious. Life simply has more opportunities to take place.
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:41 pm "Other realities" would have to be clarified.
Why not? Think of life. It is possible. I have contact with spiritual beings so I can clarify them.
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Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:53 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:47 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:41 pm

Boundlessness has nothing whatsoever to do with possibilities.

"Other realities" would have to be clarified.
The boundlessness of possibilities is rooted in the ever changing nature of these possibilities.
"Boundless possibilities" would have something to do with possibilities, lol.

Is that what we switched to talking about instead of talking about the universe in general?
The universe as ever changing is the universe as boundless given the ever changing possibilities. The universe and all it contains as boundless thus equates it to the definition of God as boundless.
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bahman wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:54 pm It has. Think of life. The chance for having life in a larger universe is larger.
We went over this already. At some point you just gave up responding to the comments I was making.
Terrapin Station wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:41 pm "Other realities" would have to be clarified.
Why not? Think of life. It is possible. I have contact with spiritual beings so I can clarify them.
"Why not" is a weird response. So you're talking about "spiritual beings"? I don't buy that there are such things. (Though I'm a fan of the fantasy of it.)
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