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Nietzsche wrote that God is dead and we have killed him.

Stephen Hawking said that Philosophy is dead. Science has killed it.
Speaking to Google’s Zeitgeist Conference in Hertfordshire, the author of ‘A Brief History of Time’ said that fundamental questions about the nature of the universe could not be resolved without hard data such as that currently being derived from the Large Hadron Collider and space research. “Most of us don’t worry about these questions most of the time. But almost all of us must sometimes wonder: Why are we here? Where do we come from? Traditionally, these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead,” he said. “Philosophers have not kept up with modern developments in science. Particularly physics.”

Prof Hawking went on to claim that “Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery in our quest for knowledge.” He said new theories “lead us to a new and very different picture of the universe and our place in it”.
Finally people have evolved and proclaimed that your opinions are dead. They have given you the right to remain silent until you are reeducated. Don't try and hide; just shut up. There are no safe spaces for you if you insist on arguing. God is dead, philosophy is dead, and now your opinions are as good as dead. It is just a matter of time and education. You have the right to remain silent. Be happy for that. With your attitude you could be eliminated or canceled out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uKabyhUid8
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Finally young minds who demand for your own good that you have the right to remain silent are being supported. Now the creation of a "Reality czar" is being contemplated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/tech ... ation.html
Several experts I spoke with recommended that the Biden administration put together a cross-agency task force to tackle disinformation and domestic extremism, which would be led by something like a “reality czar.”

It sounds a little dystopian, I’ll grant. But let’s hear them out.

Right now, these experts said, the federal government’s response to disinformation and domestic extremism is haphazard and spread across multiple agencies, and there’s a lot of unnecessary overlap.

Renée DiResta, a disinformation researcher at Stanford’s Internet Observatory, gave the example of two seemingly unrelated problems: misinformation about Covid-19 and misinformation about election fraud.

Often, she said, the same people and groups are responsible for spreading both types. So instead of two parallel processes — one at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, aimed at tamping down Covid-related conspiracy theories, and another at the Federal Election Commission, trying to correct voting misinformation — a centralized task force could coordinate a single, strategic response.

“If each of them are doing it distinctly and independently, you run the risk of missing connections, both in terms of the content and in terms of the tactics that are used to execute on the campaigns,” Ms. DiResta said.

This task force could also meet regularly with tech platforms, and push for structural changes that could help those companies tackle their own extremism and misinformation problems. (For example, it could formulate “safe harbor” exemptions that would allow platforms to share data about QAnon and other conspiracy theory communities with researchers and government agencies without running afoul of privacy laws.) And it could become the tip of the spear for the federal government’s response to the reality crisis..........................
Now these young minds demanding that you only have the right to remain silent, have hope. The government will assure them that you will no longer have the need to complain. You will be indoctrinated into right thinking by order of the Reality Czar leading to unity of all through right thinking and freedom from disinformation.

Peace through progress.
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Nick_A wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:58 pm Nietzsche wrote that God is dead and we have killed him.

Stephen Hawking said that Philosophy is dead. Science has killed it.
Speaking to Google’s Zeitgeist Conference in Hertfordshire, the author of ‘A Brief History of Time’ said that fundamental questions about the nature of the universe could not be resolved without hard data such as that currently being derived from the Large Hadron Collider and space research. “Most of us don’t worry about these questions most of the time. But almost all of us must sometimes wonder: Why are we here? Where do we come from? Traditionally, these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead,” he said. “Philosophers have not kept up with modern developments in science. Particularly physics.”

Prof Hawking went on to claim that “Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery in our quest for knowledge.” He said new theories “lead us to a new and very different picture of the universe and our place in it”.
Finally people have evolved and proclaimed that your opinions are dead. They have given you the right to remain silent until you are reeducated. Don't try and hide; just shut up. There are no safe spaces for you if you insist on arguing. God is dead, philosophy is dead, and now your opinions are as good as dead. It is just a matter of time and education. You have the right to remain silent. Be happy for that. With your attitude you could be eliminated or canceled out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uKabyhUid8
It's just evidence that no one is immune from being an arrogant moron at times, no matter how smart they are when it comes to some specific things.

In fact, being very smart at some specific things, so that one winds up being awarded and regularly lauded in that context, tends to contribute to being an arrogant moron about other stuff. People are more prone to suck up, less prone to tell the person that they're being stupid (and the lauded person is less likely to put themselves in contexts where people would tell them that they're being stupid). It has a negative, boosting effect on the person's ego.
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Nick_A wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:58 pm Nietzsche wrote that God is dead and we have killed him.

Stephen Hawking said that Philosophy is dead. Science has killed it.
Speaking to Google’s Zeitgeist Conference in Hertfordshire, the author of ‘A Brief History of Time’ said that fundamental questions about the nature of the universe could not be resolved without hard data such as that currently being derived from the Large Hadron Collider and space research. “Most of us don’t worry about these questions most of the time. But almost all of us must sometimes wonder: Why are we here? Where do we come from? Traditionally, these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead,” he said. “Philosophers have not kept up with modern developments in science. Particularly physics.”

Prof Hawking went on to claim that “Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery in our quest for knowledge.” He said new theories “lead us to a new and very different picture of the universe and our place in it”.
Finally people have evolved and proclaimed that your opinions are dead. They have given you the right to remain silent until you are reeducated. Don't try and hide; just shut up. There are no safe spaces for you if you insist on arguing. God is dead, philosophy is dead, and now your opinions are as good as dead. It is just a matter of time and education. You have the right to remain silent. Be happy for that. With your attitude you could be eliminated or canceled out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uKabyhUid8
I think a little of science in simple terms won't kill philosophers. You cannot philosophize about reality without knowing physics. You however cannot be sure that what you know is correct without philosophy.
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You guys don't get it. God is dead so there is no objective meaning for human life. Philosophy and the need for meaning is dead since advanced technology discovered through science provides all the meaning one needs.

Science must be interpreted so Man has taken it upon himself to define the meaning for human existence. It comes from acting in ways defined by the government; your new God. It is a jealous God and will not tolerate any ideas opposed to its own. It has condescended to supply the human need for meaning and it is divisive and insulting to question its divinity. All those who try will be canceled out in the new cancel culture if reeducation fails.

All hail the new Great God. She has solved the question of meaning through govt. approved action. She has condescended to give you one right. You now have the right to remain silent. All you have to do now is believe, obey, and pay the bills. How simple. Even a basket of deplorables can do that. Know your place.
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Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:44 am You guys don't get it. God is dead so there is no objective meaning for human life. Philosophy and the need for meaning is dead since advanced technology discovered through science provides all the meaning one needs.

Science must be interpreted so Man has taken it upon himself to define the meaning for human existence. It comes from acting in ways defined by the government; your new God. It is a jealous God and will not tolerate any ideas opposed to its own. It has condescended to supply the human need for meaning and it is divisive and insulting to question its divinity. All those who try will be canceled out in the new cancel culture if reeducation fails.

All hail the new Great God. She has solved the question of meaning through govt. approved action. She has condescended to give you one right. You now have the right to remain silent. All you have to do now is believe, obey, and pay the bills. How simple. Even a basket of deplorables can do that. Know your place.
The meaning is that there is no such thing as meaning.
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:44 am
Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:44 am You guys don't get it. God is dead so there is no objective meaning for human life. Philosophy and the need for meaning is dead since advanced technology discovered through science provides all the meaning one needs.

Science must be interpreted so Man has taken it upon himself to define the meaning for human existence. It comes from acting in ways defined by the government; your new God. It is a jealous God and will not tolerate any ideas opposed to its own. It has condescended to supply the human need for meaning and it is divisive and insulting to question its divinity. All those who try will be canceled out in the new cancel culture if reeducation fails.

All hail the new Great God. She has solved the question of meaning through govt. approved action. She has condescended to give you one right. You now have the right to remain silent. All you have to do now is believe, obey, and pay the bills. How simple. Even a basket of deplorables can do that. Know your place.
The meaning is that there is no such thing as meaning.
The new Great God has provided your meaning. Your meaning and purpose is to serve the whims of the new Great God. You have the right to remain silent. Nothing else is tolerated. Disobey and you will be canceled. Society must eliminate the troublemakers who stand in the way of utopia. She has spoken and said what she expects from her subjects in her quest for world peace. Now know your place.
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Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:56 am
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:44 am
Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:44 am You guys don't get it. God is dead so there is no objective meaning for human life. Philosophy and the need for meaning is dead since advanced technology discovered through science provides all the meaning one needs.

Science must be interpreted so Man has taken it upon himself to define the meaning for human existence. It comes from acting in ways defined by the government; your new God. It is a jealous God and will not tolerate any ideas opposed to its own. It has condescended to supply the human need for meaning and it is divisive and insulting to question its divinity. All those who try will be canceled out in the new cancel culture if reeducation fails.

All hail the new Great God. She has solved the question of meaning through govt. approved action. She has condescended to give you one right. You now have the right to remain silent. All you have to do now is believe, obey, and pay the bills. How simple. Even a basket of deplorables can do that. Know your place.
The meaning is that there is no such thing as meaning.
The new Great God has provided your meaning. Your meaning and purpose is to serve the whims of the new Great God. You have the right to remain silent. Nothing else is tolerated. Disobey and you will be canceled. Society must eliminate the troublemakers who stand in the way of utopia. She has spoken and said what she expects from her subjects in her quest for world peace. Now know your place.
That (the bold part) is the duty rather than meaning.
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Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:44 am You guys don't get it. God is dead so there is no objective meaning for human life. Philosophy and the need for meaning is dead since advanced technology discovered through science provides all the meaning one needs.
The day a scientist proves we can overcome the ever onset increase in entropy, then we should all worship him like the geek he is.

Technology will provide efficiency wherein entropy is 'slowed' via simulating reality - ergo God will be A.I. and simulate our shit brains on racks or vats - such that we can exist in what we still perceive as our 'normal' reality - and therein contradicts your statement "GOD IS DEAD - as there is NO objective meaning for human life"

IF there is an objective meaning for human life - then it's main object is SURVIVAL - no matter what bullshit simulation is thrown at it.
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:05 pm
Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:44 am You guys don't get it. God is dead so there is no objective meaning for human life. Philosophy and the need for meaning is dead since advanced technology discovered through science provides all the meaning one needs.
The day a scientist proves we can overcome the ever onset increase in entropy, then we should all worship him like the geek he is.

Technology will provide efficiency wherein entropy is 'slowed' via simulating reality - ergo God will be A.I. and simulate our shit brains on racks or vats - such that we can exist in what we still perceive as our 'normal' reality - and therein contradicts your statement "GOD IS DEAD - as there is NO objective meaning for human life"

IF there is an objective meaning for human life - then it's main object is SURVIVAL - no matter what bullshit simulation is thrown at it.
Your great God did not promise you immortality. She has condescended to provide meaning for your life that goes beyond pure survival as with a dog for example. You can now experience meaning greater than survival by serving your great God who had her arising from the the darkness of the world itself. You have the right to remain silent; don't abuse it. Now prepare yourself to serve your new God as part of her grand collective through your obedience.
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:07 am
Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:56 am
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:44 am
The meaning is that there is no such thing as meaning.
The new Great God has provided your meaning. Your meaning and purpose is to serve the whims of the new Great God. You have the right to remain silent. Nothing else is tolerated. Disobey and you will be canceled. Society must eliminate the troublemakers who stand in the way of utopia. She has spoken and said what she expects from her subjects in her quest for world peace. Now know your place.
That (the bold part) is the duty rather than meaning.
You cannot know your duty until you first accept what gives you meaning and inspires duty.
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Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:19 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:07 am
Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:56 am
The new Great God has provided your meaning. Your meaning and purpose is to serve the whims of the new Great God. You have the right to remain silent. Nothing else is tolerated. Disobey and you will be canceled. Society must eliminate the troublemakers who stand in the way of utopia. She has spoken and said what she expects from her subjects in her quest for world peace. Now know your place.
That (the bold part) is the duty rather than meaning.
You cannot know your duty until you first accept what gives you meaning and inspires duty.
Yes, you can. People do their duty all the time but due to feeling rather than meaning.
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bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:05 pm
Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:19 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:07 am
That (the bold part) is the duty rather than meaning.
You cannot know your duty until you first accept what gives you meaning and inspires duty.
Yes, you can. People do their duty all the time but due to feeling rather than meaning.
That is close to being a reportable offense. Duty is no longer an abstract feeling but your God demands loyalty to her and not some random feeling. She has provided your source of meaning and your duty is to support her as best you can.

You don't want to be canceled do you? Better get with the program
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:14 am
bahman wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:05 pm
Nick_A wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:19 pm

You cannot know your duty until you first accept what gives you meaning and inspires duty.
Yes, you can. People do their duty all the time but due to feeling rather than meaning.
That is close to being a reportable offense. Duty is no longer an abstract feeling but your God demands loyalty to her and not some random feeling. She has provided your source of meaning and your duty is to support her as best you can.

You don't want to be canceled do you? Better get with the program
Can you even define meaning if it is not feeling? There is no offense in what I wrote. Moreover, I didn't write that duty is an abstract feeling.
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Nick_A wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:58 pm Nietzsche wrote that God is dead and we have killed him.

Stephen Hawking said that Philosophy is dead. Science has killed it.
Speaking to Google’s Zeitgeist Conference in Hertfordshire, the author of ‘A Brief History of Time’ said that fundamental questions about the nature of the universe could not be resolved without hard data such as that currently being derived from the Large Hadron Collider and space research. “Most of us don’t worry about these questions most of the time. But almost all of us must sometimes wonder: Why are we here? Where do we come from? Traditionally, these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead,” he said. “Philosophers have not kept up with modern developments in science. Particularly physics.”

Prof Hawking went on to claim that “Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery in our quest for knowledge.” He said new theories “lead us to a new and very different picture of the universe and our place in it”.
Finally people have evolved and proclaimed that your opinions are dead. They have given you the right to remain silent until you are reeducated. Don't try and hide; just shut up. There are no safe spaces for you if you insist on arguing. God is dead, philosophy is dead, and now your opinions are as good as dead. It is just a matter of time and education. You have the right to remain silent. Be happy for that. With your attitude you could be eliminated or canceled out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uKabyhUid8
It appears that there is an interpretation of "right to remain silent" as though it was "You have to remain silent." At least I understood the meaning in context of arrest to be a good thing. So I'm guessing the context is more about presuming that everyone is LIABLE to their words with the further assumption that some unaccountable party gets to lay charges, such as the least offended person.

I see that the link is only a teaser for the documentary, "No Safe Spaces". Did you actually see the documentary? If so, what is the specific stance of the author's intent? I mean, I wouldn't think that 'safe spaces' are now being argued for to regain the privilege to speak free. :?:

I don't get your comparison to Nietzche's "God is dead" along with Hawkings' claims on philosophy. Is this an expression of nihilistic depression? I get the concern of limits to free speech. I'm just not sure what is being proposed to counter those attempting to undermine truth. That is, does the author suggest an alternative means of those who promote fraudulent claims to be held accountable while still maintaining free speech. I am disgusted that the vast majority of people are so intellectually lazy and with such tendency to lean in to emotional appeals OVER the logical ones that I don't know what we can do anymore.

The powerful believe intrinsically in lying as though life is a game using OTHER people as pawns. And even IF they might be of the minority, they tend to have more power to intentionally cause havoc by their belief in utilizing differences in truth to manipulate the masses to RELY on whichever government ideal they are pushing. And IF we are to accept NO accountability of people's words WHEN they speak freely, the only choice we have is to accept the kind of abusers in power who at least harm us least.

I don't know what we can do anymore. I'm tired of the lies. But those proposing NOT to censor the most tend to be the ones who are in need of censorship against their forms of censor they appeal to when or where they themselves have the power. When we get "Q-anon" kind of fucked up thinkers existing everywhere, they would argue for types of systems that are strictly made up of similarly fucked up leaders, all of whom believe in authoritative dictatorial style of governing that ENHANCES such stupidity. In contrast, those in authoritatively intellectual areas tend to favor 'truth' but demand the masses act as though they are children who could not possibly learn to BE more rational without THEM exclusively.

When Trump was speaking on the day of "insurrection" of the Capitol building, he reminded me of Jim Jones' rantings on as he was getting everybody to drink the Cool-aid laced with cyanide. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqACvTknls] To me, his behavior only justified the reason for the now predominating belief in censorship. I was disgusted even though I DO believe in free speech. He (Trump) was acting like a cult leader. And if HE had his way, he would have definitely censored others with MORE extreme, ...especially any media that did not present him in ONLY-GOOD light.

So for those of you here who supported him (or other similar 'religious' extremists), why should we accept the arguments in favor of 'free speech' when your form of power ENTAILS lying and deceipt with WORSE concerns to the masses than those demanding the censorship of those who may in the least offend someone? The forms of censorship abuses are coming from everywhere. But given we seem to have all of them in power who prefer some form of 'censorship' regardless, should those of us who are victims of the abuses regardless CHOSE the right-wing style of censorship over the left-wing forms?

The REASON why the left-wing forms of censorship is rising is due to the EXTREMES from the right and, to those on the Left who are just using the side of 'democratic pluralism' unless or until they TOO could be the next 'Right', we are doomed by all sides to HAVE censorship. They just differ in degrees. As such, the masses, especially those of us who are unaffiliated with your religious cults, are being forced to accept the forms that LEAST HARM US! And thus you extreme morons are the CAUSE of censorship, regardless of where you exist politically. And you ruin it for us all. We have no choice when disempowered to pick the democratic forms of "least-harm" censorship if only due to the fact that the particular forms of censorship by the extremists are worse.

I'd like to hear proposals of HOW we could possibly have a system that permits open expression with ways that still hold those who use communicating tactics of deception in information exchanges from predominating ruthlessly. Does anyone have such an idea here?
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