seeds wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:36 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:41 am
Noted your interesting points, except the following point;
Hoffman did not
imply humans LITERALLY create “...any physical object that we see - in the moment that we see it...”
as if like waving a wand and things appear.
It is more sophisticated than that.
Yes, it is more sophisticated than that, and I thought I had made that clear in my comparing it to the laser hologram.
However, if we look again at what Hoffman actually said in the video:
“...the point of this is that we create any physical object that we see - in the moment that we see it...”
...my beef is with the “...we create...”
part of that statement, for the process of our observing something does not “create”
the 3-D objects of the universe, but merely explicates them from the patterns of quantum information.
And to bring another metaphor into the mix, the results of the explicating process of observation is loosely
similar to how the interior workings of a DVD player explicate the 2-D features of a movie from the coded information on the disk,...
...with the point being that one cannot simply assume that the observations of conscious beings create
the 3-D reality of the universe without acknowledging the existence of the informationally-based source from which that reality springs-forth
(of which Hoffman does seem to allude to in his mentioning that there is “...some other reality out there...”
I agree Hoffman's statement is a bit too loose but I understand he did not mean it literally, i.e. by mere observations we create reality out there.
I get your point with the hologram and DVD player, i.e. their internal workings that enable the emergence of reality as-it-is.
This is the same with Hoffman's analogy, i.e. the icons on your computer screen as an interface - as analogous to the 3D external world is dependent on the internal processors [CPU], all other internal parts and the softwares that enable the icons on the screen.
In the case of humans and the emergence of reality
, what is behind and enable the emergence of reality are the neural algorithms in the physical brain and body which is deterministically connected back to the Big Bang
, which spiral back to the emergence of reality
As for reality, Hoffman as a scientists has to [imperative] ASSUMES there is a fundamental reality which he term 'consciousness' with 'conscious agent', else his whole theory cannot work.
He insisted this consciousness and conscious agents has nothing to do with God, creative intelligence or any thing theistic BUT is merely and ASSUMPTION.
I don't agree with Hoffman's need for the above assumption, but as a scientist he has no choice but to assume
that to enable his theory to work.