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Re: Weird Science

Post by NEW » Thu May 07, 2020 12:14 am

Nick_A wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 11:13 pm
NEW wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 10:37 pm
I guess this meeting is adjourned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrdqQZ8FFc

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i am not a Buddhist /so Allan watts has limited appeal for me. /It doesn't answer why we Are here or the potential for human being.
Me neither / and it shows / but it does, unfortunately, cause you showed it to me, for one thing. (And that is not a bad thing as mentioned before! I even vow genuinely to you for it with much gratitude, compassion and love towards you and your expression!),

Can you consider, in all seriousness this time, and self reflect a while,
upon the possibility you may be so much lost and involved into the seriousness of your act, you don't realize it yourself, that it is just an act, away from your true self?

This due to conditioning factors, beyond one's comprehension, entangled so much with the ego ao factors so that the illusion becomes, like it's part of one self, and therefore generates this reality? (you wanted a possible insight to all this suffering, and possible solutions)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdzPp9cRKN0

Anyway, we can yadieyadie on and on about this,

meeting's adjourned ;-)

you are you,
I am me,
and we both might disagree

and that is fine, even more so, even better

It's called the "UNity within diversity" I'm questioning and scouting upon it's potential relevance,

and it showing relevance, partly thanks to you, so you have my gratitude :-)

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Nick_A » Thu May 07, 2020 4:35 am

If appreciating "UNity within diversity" is your aim, I could participate on a thread. From a scientific perspective for example, how does a mixture (diversity) become a solution (unity.) and does stop looking for you want part of the process?

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Re: Weird Science

Post by NEW » Thu May 07, 2020 5:36 am

Nick_A wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 4:35 am
If appreciating "UNity within diversity" is your aim, I could participate on a thread. From a scientific perspective for example, how does a mixture (diversity) become a solution (unity.) and does stop looking for you want part of the process?
well, for starters ...it's simply already there, when you stop looking, (or even during looking, doesn't really matter) ...that's the funny part ...and part of the fact that I can't stop laughing and dancing :lol:

Really, I promise you, this is not to pun you, or anybody, anything.

When I find the words, I will try to make a more scientific thread about it, I promise! And your contribution will be very appreciated.
But problem is: will I ever be able to?
Cause I'm afraid this is something you have to experience, be there, have such moments, to really say to one another;
yep, he/she has been there alright ...he/she saw it
It's so simple ...that no one can explain it, unfortunately ...until you are it, even for a little while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9S9zbNN7CM

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Dontaskme » Thu May 07, 2020 7:09 am

Nick_A wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 11:13 pm

i am not a Buddhist so Allan watts has limited appeal for me. It doesn't answer why we Are here or the potential for human being.
We are here for the Pornography. Mind is nothing more than the mistaking of images on a screen for reality.

Nick_A forgets we're all the same nakedness underneath all the superficial pretentious me, me, me, ooh what about me attitude. But wait, there's so much more, why can't you all see we must be here for a reason, surely we must know we have great potential ...wah! wah! wah!..it's all that dumb secularism's fault ...wah! wah! wah! how dare anyone impose secular attitudes upon the sacred, it's not fair, boo hoo!

We are here for the same reason the cockroaches are here. Life loves itself, otherwise it wouldn't bang.

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Re: Weird Science

Post by NEW » Thu May 07, 2020 7:52 am

jeez,

even you Dam?

stop dissing one another and listen to each other, inc each others differences ..and celebrate the differences instead of everyone following your conditioning as of fighting over who is more right...

Man, the "planet of the apes" seems like a docu inhere ... :o

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Dontaskme » Thu May 07, 2020 8:00 am

NEW wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:52 am
jeez,

even you Dam?

stop dissing one another and listen to each other, inc each others differences ..and celebrate the differences instead of everyone following your conditioning as of fighting over who is more right...

Man, the "planet of the apes" seems like a docu inhere ... :o
:lol: :lol: I agree..but I want to be the centre of attention today, wah! wah!

No play without an audience...Let the Big gang Bang commence. . now listen to me, ok, only if you listen to me. :P

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Dontaskme » Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am

NEW wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:52 am
fighting over who is more right...

There's no fight without two.

The big bang is always now, banging against itself, right here, right now...Ow that hurt!

When you fuck another, you are fucking yourself.

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Re: Weird Science

Post by NEW » Thu May 07, 2020 8:21 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:08 am
NEW wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:52 am
fighting over who is more right...

There's no fight without two.

The big bang is always now, banging against itself, right here, right now...Ow that hurt!

When you fuck another, you are fucking yourself.
I'm sorry to say, that was to make a point, around endless deaf ego trippin' debades and to see how you, ao, would react

... and I'm sorry to say,

I'm not even surprised of the outcome, even more so, just as advertised, conditioned, ...

for what it's worth: many thanks for the confirmation dam, and for playing!

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Dontaskme » Thu May 07, 2020 8:28 am

NEW wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:21 am

for what it's worth: many thanks for the confirmation dam, and for playing!
You're welcome, for there is no you without me. :D

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Re: Weird Science

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Dontaskme » Thu May 07, 2020 9:51 am

Nick_A wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 7:11 pm
But who is the I?

Secularism is powerless to explain it and people are more oblivious of the concept each day so keep on dancing..
What an Absolute Bullshit comment. . . and you wonder why I cannot connect with you.

While you may believe in your own self made perception to be also in the world out there, know that this belief is only your own creation generated as and through your own limited lens of personal perception ...That you then project into the external world as if the perception belongs to the world out there, like it's other peoples error. This is the only true error being made here, believing that the external world is at fault.

Realise that from the unique never to be repeated perspective of the character known as Nick's world .......there is absolutely nothing else happening anywhere, except what you think is happening from your personal perception only. . . this is known as auspicious seeing, the only wisdom worth seeing and giving a damn about. From this perspective it is seen that you cannot be everywhere at once. And that everyone else is in the exact same world as you... seeing from their own limited lens of perception. You are not the judge else you be judged, you cannot hold to your position while denying others theirs, the world doesn't work like that. We are the world, we are are not in the world.

The human game is playing out exactly the way it is meant to be played out in every moment. .because it's totally going LIVE, it's not a recording, there is no rewind button.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference.

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Re: Weird Science

Post by NEW » Thu May 07, 2020 1:46 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 9:51 am
Nick_A wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 7:11 pm
But who is the I?

Secularism is powerless to explain it and people are more oblivious of the concept each day so keep on dancing..
What an Absolute Bullshit comment. . . and you wonder why I cannot connect with you.

While you may believe in your own self made perception to be also in the world out there, know that this belief is only your own creation generated as and through your own limited lens of personal perception ...That you then project into the external world as if the perception belongs to the world out there, like it's other peoples error. This is the only true error being made here, believing that the external world is at fault.

Realise that from the unique never to be repeated perspective of the character known as Nick's world .......there is absolutely nothing else happening anywhere, except what you think is happening from your personal perception only. . . this is known as auspicious seeing, the only wisdom worth seeing and giving a damn about. From this perspective it is seen that you cannot be everywhere at once. And that everyone else is in the exact same world as you... seeing from their own limited lens of perception. You are not the judge else you be judged, you cannot hold to your position while denying others theirs, the world doesn't work like that. We are the world, we are are not in the world.

The human game is playing out exactly the way it is meant to be played out in every moment. .because it's totally going LIVE, it's not a recording, there is no rewind button.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference.

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ach, ...just leave him be. He seems very much happy with his stuck up act, so much I can't stop laughing about it :lol:
Perhaps the same goes a bit to you as well dam ...

It's not anyone's fault, it's the conditioning most just follows like a slave, so much entangled with it, thinking it's part of the self, even a tear of genuine compassion escapes my eye ...

Ooh well, some people get it, other's don't and probably never will, and that is ok too :-)

Let's end with a quote;
there are a few ways to play a chess game:
enter it and play the game, and lose or win,
enter it, to make a point, in an attempt to enable others to see it, how ridiculous it is, this ape competition conditioning (what I have been doing here for a bit)
and finally, my personal preference, don't enter it at all, or leave the table, and have a life instead :-)
I think my time has come to stop entering this pointless planet of the apes committee of putting things on top of each other, one opinion over the other, as mentioned before (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrdqQZ8FFc)
and move on with my wandering, my life. Cause I really have better things to do. Heck, even doing nothing is better then this ...but that is just my 2 cents of course.

Many thanks, g-speed and never forget:

keep on dancing and try laughing a bit more. It's good for spirit and body!

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Nick_A » Thu May 07, 2020 9:07 pm

There seems to be three essential differences between NEW, DaM, and me.

The first is the need for a quality of meaning that doesn't arise in the world

The second is my belief in what Plato called the tripartite soul or three in one (diversity) that can acquire inner unity and become ONE.

The third is my belief that the the universe has an essential purpose for existence. If so, what occurs within the universe is a necessity a human being can participate in mechanically with the lower parts of the soul but with the potential to participate both consciously as well as mechanically. But what does it mean to participate consciouly? yet person is drawn to it from their need for the quality of meaning not arising from the earth but to participate in a higher necessity.

A person doesn't escape from necessity. They either serve their necessary purpose as an animal or become a conscious human being and participate in conscious evolution of a higher quality. Philosophy only has meaning when it awakens us to the potential for human being. Without it Dostoyevsky defined it as pouring from the empty into the void.
The way up and the way down are one and the same.
Heraclitus
A person must decide which way they want to go. Escapism is the way down.

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Dontaskme » Fri May 08, 2020 9:33 am

Nick_A wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 9:07 pm

A person must decide which way they want to go. Escapism is the way down.
Well it's no surprise you brought that one up again.

Gosh if only I who ever that is?.. I can only imagine, if only that ''thought'' could escape from it's imagined existence, now that would be some real clever trick.

You also talk about differences, are those the same differences that can only appear within the dream of separation? ..you know, those characters that the mind makes up via ''thought'' ?

All is ONE...wich is just another word for GOD, which is just another word for BEING, which is just another word for NOTHING, which is just another word for EVERYTHING....It's different that's ALL.

Many Appearances of the same ONENESS...MANY OF THE ONE.

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Life is not a place that a ''SOMEONE'' can escape from and yet still be in it...which is what you Nick seem to imply here.

Awakening happens to many people when they realise they are life itself, and not a ''something'' in life separate from that life. That's when the real magic happens and the real awareness and healing begins, because it's seen that life is no longer personal, and that we're all in this together as one family.

There is nothing wrong with the world, if there was, we'd change it, and we can only do that by changing ourselves.

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I think maybe the only difference between your thinking and my thinking is that you come from the premise of the ''characters perspective''within the dream, whereas I come from the premise of the Awareness in which that ''character'' arises and is known.

That's why we're not on the same page Nick...even though it's all the same difference. All the one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

My mission is to help heal the world not escape from it, whatever that is supposed to mean, as if I could, but anyway, I am in a fortunate situation where I having nothing better to do but be here helping out as much as I can. This work I'm doing here, is the only BETTER in my opinion, no other better CAN TOP IT

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Re: Weird Science

Post by Nick_A » Fri May 08, 2020 4:34 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 9:33 am
Nick_A wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 9:07 pm

A person must decide which way they want to go. Escapism is the way down.
Well it's no surprise you brought that one up again.

Gosh if only I who ever that is?.. I can only imagine, if only that ''thought'' could escape from it's imagined existence, now that would be some real clever trick.

You also talk about differences, are those the same differences that can only appear within the dream of separation? ..you know, those characters that the mind makes up via ''thought'' ?

All is ONE...wich is just another word for GOD, which is just another word for BEING, which is just another word for NOTHING, which is just another word for EVERYTHING....It's different that's ALL.

Many Appearances of the same ONENESS...MANY OF THE ONE.

.

Life is not a place that a ''SOMEONE'' can escape from and yet still be in it...which is what you Nick seem to imply here.

Awakening happens to many people when they realise they are life itself, and not a ''something'' in life separate from that life. That's when the real magic happens and the real awareness and healing begins, because it's seen that life is no longer personal, and that we're all in this together as one family.

There is nothing wrong with the world, if there was, we'd change it, and we can only do that by changing ourselves.

.

I think maybe the only difference between your thinking and my thinking is that you come from the premise of the ''characters perspective''within the dream, whereas I come from the premise of the Awareness in which that ''character'' arises and is known.

That's why we're not on the same page Nick...even though it's all the same difference. All the one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

My mission is to help heal the world not escape from it, whatever that is supposed to mean, as if I could, but anyway, I am in a fortunate situation where I having nothing better to do but be here helping out as much as I can. This work I'm doing here, is the only BETTER in my opinion, no other better CAN TOP IT

Our primary difference is the question of universal purpose. What is the purpose of the universe we exist in and the purpose of Man within it? It is an intolerable question in modern times so those who take it seriously move underground.

Some believe some personal God wants to tell you what to do and others believe Man invents it or some God imagines it but none of these ideas satisfy the scientific mind concerned with purpose so an artificial division between science and religion remains dominant

If nothing can be built on your thesis which allows a person to see how the laws of science and the laws of being are complimentary, there is nothing for us to build upon since for you the universe and Man within it has no objective purpose.

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