The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:12 am

VVilliam wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:51 am
VVilliam wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:48 am
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Agree to the post, where did you get the quote?
I got the quote from one of the posts above, which was written by you.


I thought it looked familar.

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by VVilliam » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:43 am

Point zero ...for some reason I though of the image of a film projector when reading that...

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by Systematic » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:48 am

Belief is a necessity of reason.
Christian belief is an antithesis of reason.
Because you cannot test the hypotheticals of a cult.
And because you are not allowed to test hypotheticals contrary to the cults beliefs.
Better to believe in the established science and the established concepts of business and of industry.
Leave the cult beliefs to those who cannot get out. :roll:

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:37 pm

Systematic wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:48 am
Belief is a necessity of reason.
Christian belief is an antithesis of reason.
Because you cannot test the hypotheticals of a cult.
And because you are not allowed to test hypotheticals contrary to the cults beliefs.
Better to believe in the established science and the established concepts of business and of industry.
Leave the cult beliefs to those who cannot get out. :roll:
All tests are extensions of the observer where the test is the means of approximating a natural environment by observing a specific list of variables which reflect the environment being tested. The test is a means of mimicking variables found in nature where the test itself cannot observe all variables within the natural environment given the variables observed are a projection of the tester's angle of awareness. The test is a projection of the observer and as such necessitates a subjective state of awareness.

This subjective state necessitates that all objective truth, truth which is agreed upon where multiple subjective states align, is grounded in the aforementioned subjectivity where what we deem as truth is fundamentally an angle of awareness, in this case group awareness. This angle of awareness necessitates that given any set of phenomenon only a specific number of variables are observed and the test itself does not address all potential variables.

This nature of testing thus necessitates what is being observed is a series of relationships determined by a series of subjectively observed parameters. These parameters are what is being measured and not the natural environment itself.

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by Systematic » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:29 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:37 pm
Systematic wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:48 am
Belief is a necessity of reason.
Christian belief is an antithesis of reason.
Because you cannot test the hypotheticals of a cult.
And because you are not allowed to test hypotheticals contrary to the cults beliefs.
Better to believe in the established science and the established concepts of business and of industry.
Leave the cult beliefs to those who cannot get out. :roll:
All tests are extensions of the observer where the test is the means of approximating a natural environment by observing a specific list of variables which reflect the environment being tested. The test is a means of mimicking variables found in nature where the test itself cannot observe all variables within the natural environment given the variables observed are a projection of the tester's angle of awareness. The test is a projection of the observer and as such necessitates a subjective state of awareness.

This subjective state necessitates that all objective truth, truth which is agreed upon where multiple subjective states align, is grounded in the aforementioned subjectivity where what we deem as truth is fundamentally an angle of awareness, in this case group awareness. This angle of awareness necessitates that given any set of phenomenon only a specific number of variables are observed and the test itself does not address all potential variables.

This nature of testing thus necessitates what is being observed is a series of relationships determined by a series of subjectively observed parameters. These parameters are what is being measured and not the natural environment itself.
Certainly. That's a really big problem with finding the truth. But an even bigger problem is joining Christianity, wherein their ethos prohibits believing in science at all.

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:24 pm

Systematic wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:29 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:37 pm
Systematic wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:48 am
Belief is a necessity of reason.
Christian belief is an antithesis of reason.
Because you cannot test the hypotheticals of a cult.
And because you are not allowed to test hypotheticals contrary to the cults beliefs.
Better to believe in the established science and the established concepts of business and of industry.
Leave the cult beliefs to those who cannot get out. :roll:
All tests are extensions of the observer where the test is the means of approximating a natural environment by observing a specific list of variables which reflect the environment being tested. The test is a means of mimicking variables found in nature where the test itself cannot observe all variables within the natural environment given the variables observed are a projection of the tester's angle of awareness. The test is a projection of the observer and as such necessitates a subjective state of awareness.

This subjective state necessitates that all objective truth, truth which is agreed upon where multiple subjective states align, is grounded in the aforementioned subjectivity where what we deem as truth is fundamentally an angle of awareness, in this case group awareness. This angle of awareness necessitates that given any set of phenomenon only a specific number of variables are observed and the test itself does not address all potential variables.

This nature of testing thus necessitates what is being observed is a series of relationships determined by a series of subjectively observed parameters. These parameters are what is being measured and not the natural environment itself.
Certainly. That's a really big problem with finding the truth. But an even bigger problem is joining Christianity, wherein their ethos prohibits believing in science at all.
Actually Christianity does not prohibit the belief in science. The Roman Catholic church has an observatory and the Big Bang Theory was developed by a Catholic priest (if memory serves on the latter).

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by Systematic » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:26 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:24 pm


Actually Christianity does not prohibit the belief in science. The Roman Catholic church has an observatory and the Big Bang Theory was developed by a Catholic priest (if memory serves on the latter).
I was thinking more of Ken Ham with statues of people riding dinosaurs 6000 years ago. You know, when the Earth was created by God. What they do in Rome bears little on the science-denying corporation worship that passes for Christianity in the U.S.

Some belief may be necessary for thinking rationally, but belief in total B.S. does not.

As to concerns of morality. Just don't hurt anyone, including yourself. Do we really have to believe in dogma to be moral?

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Re: The Unavoidability of Belief within Reason

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:30 pm

Systematic wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:26 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:24 pm


Actually Christianity does not prohibit the belief in science. The Roman Catholic church has an observatory and the Big Bang Theory was developed by a Catholic priest (if memory serves on the latter).
I was thinking more of Ken Ham with statues of people riding dinosaurs 6000 years ago. You know, when the Earth was created by God. What they do in Rome bears little on the science-denying corporation worship that passes for Christianity in the U.S.

Some belief may be necessary for thinking rationally, but belief in total B.S. does not.

As to concerns of morality. Just don't hurt anyone, including yourself. Do we really have to believe in dogma to be moral?
The golden rule is a universal law.

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