jayjacobus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:31 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:26 am
3. Physical objects do not exist if humans do not observed them, including the pre-existing objects like the moon, sun and the likes.
Physical objects are not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. The moon, the sun and the like are represented by images created by the brain. But the images cannot be influenced by feelings or opinions. If the physical objects are illusions they are objective illusions. They are not created by feelings or opinions.
As I had mentioned earlier there are two main phases involved, i.e.
- 1. The emergence of things, e.g. Sun, Moon, etc. upon spontaneous interaction with consciousness which is universally human. These are not created by feelings, emotions or opinions.
2. The perception of the emergence things as in 1 above, which can be effected by feelings and other circumstances.
Your limitation is when you perceive the Moon, Sun or anything, you have assumed the default, i.e. that they pre-existed as things awaiting discovery and perception.
Point is, there is no pre-existing Moon, Sun per se until there is a universal human interactions that manifest the emergence of an emergent-Sun.
The emergence of what is Sun, Moon, Mars, and things are inherently instinctual, i.e. spontaneous given to you whether you like it or not, nor have other feelings and opinion of it.
The emergence of what is Sun, Moon, and things are subject to instinctual space and time.
In fact, the Sun that you see is not the 'real' Sun, it is always a 9+ minute historical Sun to human on Earth.
Is there a real round Sun as perceived?
Nope! there is no real Sun as perceived but rather what is real in real time is the Sun is merely a cluster of hot matters and gasses burning at hot temperature.
Therefore there is no real-Sun-that-is-perceived, the whole thing is merely a universal human construct.
An argument can made as to where the illusions come from but wherever they come from are facts. When someone rejects the illusion, does the sun and the moon become facts to that person or must the person think of the sun and the moon as both subjective and objective at the same time? After the illusion argument, is nothing objective any more? But the illusion argument is not objective and must be always be weaker than fact.
When a person thinks about reality as objective he can connect the dots. When someone thinks about illusion, there are no dots.
Yes, empirical illusions [human constructed] come from empirical fact [also human constructs].
Note the illusion of a 'larger' Sun during a sunset at the horizon.
Within the above illusion of a larger Sun, there is the fact of The Sun.
But the fact of The Sun as explained above is a 9+ minute old historical fact, i.e. not a fact in real time.
Actually this is another level of illusion of time where you are duped into thinking you are perceiving a real Sun, when in fact what you are perceiving is a historical unreal Sun taking into account that you are only interacting with light waves which effected your retina and visual cortex.
If say, you can take a space craft and reach the Sun's 93 million miles away.
What you see in real time is not a nicely round Sun as observed from Earth.
In this case, you have been duped by an illusion in seeing almost perfect round-Sun when in reality it is not where the surface of the Sun is very turbulent with solar flares thatcan reach hundreds of miles from the surface.
All these facts are facilitated by your inherent human conditions, i.e. they are human constructs of instincts.
Now you tell me, where is the really-real Sun at t0 i.e. in real time?
