Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:41 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:44 pm
Same question. I'll answer you when you answer me.
But I do NOT care one iota if you answer me or not.
I see.
Well, then, I will have to assemble my impression from the data of your comments.
You obviously do not
have to, but if you
want to, then go right ahead. Absolutely no one is going to stop you.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm And I will do so as factually as I can, with the data you have provided.
What ever you do it will only be just another
assumption, which obviously could be partly or completely
wrong.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmYou're manifestly ashamed of your age...that suggests young.
Both are just assumptions.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm Older people don't tend to be coy about their age until they're
very old. But I don't think you're that.
Assuming things as being facts, and then deceiving one's self as they are doing things
factually, is another great example of one telling lies to them "self".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmThe same impression is reinforced by your reference to "you adults," which means you don't see yourself as an adult, and still have the teenager's view that "adults" are of a different kind, and that they can be blamed as a block, without casting any aspersions on yourself.
You are free to assume absolutely any thing you want to. But be forewarned, doing so will never leave you any wiser. While assuming you will still always only ever be at the point of; I could be wrong.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm It manifests simplistic dualism: adults = bad, children - good.
If you assume so.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmYou furthermore show that you feel that you stand in a position to see what's wrong with "adults," and you feel critical of them, and don't recognize your continuity with them. So you must be in the pre-adult phase.
"must be"? That means there is absolutely NO possibility of any thing else at all, correct?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm No other theory makes sense.
Lol
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmYour comments show some self-awareness, but limited life experience, and little sense of general human continuity.
If that is what you see, then that is it.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm They manifest a great deal of impulsivity, and a tendency toward unfocused rhetoric and gratuitous confrontation and obstinacy.
Is that what is really occurring or just what you are seeing and/or experiencing?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm Your thoughts as you currently articulate them are fairly advanced for a teenager, but are fragmentary, and do not even seem to congeal into a single positive proposition about anything
That might be the intention for now?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm...you seem content to criticize others, rather than to offer a different view.
I am waiting for clarification of my criticism/questioning of what is said, and waiting for criticisms, challenges, and/or questioning of what I have offered so far, before I express further views.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmBut, if you were a teenager, that would be to be expected. You could not possibly yet had time to form a complete personal perspective on the world, or a coherent life philosophy of your own -- which would make perfect sense if you were simply too young and inexperienced to have been able to do so. (No insult, just a fact.)
No insult is ever seen nor could ever be taken by this one. Also, if this is a fact or not at all, would depend on what do you actually mean by 'to form a complete personal perspective on the world or a coherent life philosophy of your own'? Are you 'trying to' propose that only 'you' adult human beings could do such a thing?
If yes, then provide just one 'complete personal perspective on the world' or just one 'coherent life philosophy' formulated on your own, and let us SEE if 'you', adult human beings, are even capable of doing any thing like this "yourselves".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmAll that leads to a compelling thesis that you are a teenager.
Any and Every 'thesis' is just a statement or a proposition that could actually be wrong. Only with clarity are things KNOWN, for sure, to be Right or Wrong.
Once again I will ask: Why do 'you', human beings, waste time making 'theories' and/or have a 'thesis' when the Truth of things can be KNOWN and UNDERSTOOD almost immediately?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pm Probably mid teens, around 17 or 18. That is going to be my assumption, because the data you have provided so far compels that conclusion.
Is the so called "data" that I have provided, which supposedly "compels that assumed conclusion", of yours, the exact same for every one, or could you be seeing things/data differently than "others" do?
If it is the latter, then "others" may have arrived at a completely whole different scenario and/or conclusion.
Are you absolutely 100% sure that the "data" that I have supposedly provided is absolutely true, right, and correct?
Could the actual Truth be that what you are basing every thing off and from here, which you say is factual, is actually just your very OWN assumptions, from the beginning?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmIf that's not the case, feel free to disconfirm it, and to explain what contrary evidence I should be seeing, and to say what the truth is.
Also, feel free to become that the age of "age" has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with the writings in this forum. The words speak for themselves, not matter what age one is or not.
As I pointed out earlier discovering and knowing the age of the one with the label, whose writings are under, only distracts from the actual words being written. I suggest focusing on the the views/arguments being put forward and expressed rather than focusing on the person behind them.
After all 'philosophy' is about logical reasoning and becoming wiser, rather than forming personal views of "others", correct? Or, am I in the wrong place? Does 'philosophy' mean some thing completely different than I thought it did?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 pmOther than that, I think any other reader is going to share my impression.
Once again another example of perceiving what "others" think and see, and 'trying to' speak for "them", instead of just concentrating on one's own views and perceptions of things.
Anyway, after all of this, you have arrived at the "compelling conclusion" that I am around 17 or 18 years of "age". Now that that is finally sorted out, then let us proceed, back to where it all began in your first post here in this thread ;
Is your simple example of the well known and frequent phenomenon of 'self-deception' in that post, something like believing in God, and God's supposed word about being rewarded with eternal life after one person's own death, but not really trusting that, and not really wanting go there because people will do absolutely every thing they can to stay alive, in this place, that they know and can actually trust?
In other words, do you people do all you can to stay alive in this place, because you do not seriously believe that there is some other place of eternity?
When you clarify this, then I can move onto other clarifying questions.
You also noted in that post of your that the woman in the example is deceived. She's her own deceiver. And she's not so deceived she doesn't know on some level. But it's hard to say what it is she really knows.
Some might also suggest that you people are also deceived. You are also your own deceiver. Do you really want to leave this place and be eternally happy in some other told to you place, or do you much prefer to stay here, no matter what happens to here? The obvious fact that you are here in this place shows that you are not so deceived that they do not know on some level that the "other" place you were told about and would love to believe is true, is not actually true at all though. But it is hard to say what it is that you really know, that is; until you tell us so.