seeds wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:53 am _______
(Continued from prior post)
Clearly, for any of this to work, then the truth of the ontological conditions of “ultimate reality” must be an inversion of the illusion we are presently experiencing.
In other words, instead of mind being encapsulated in (and dependent upon the existence of) physical matter, in truth, physical matter is encapsulated in (and dependent upon the existence of) mind,...
(a higher mind in the case of this universe)
...wherein the stuff that we call “matter” is simply the infinitely malleable mental fabric through-which mind (consciousness) expresses itself - as is depicted in one of my oft-used personal illustrations:
Ironically, hardcore materialism lends support to what I am suggesting.
And that’s because if it were true that there is literally nothing other than physical matter itself, then that means that our thoughts** and dreams are simply an inward extension of the exact same stuff that the suns and planets are made of.
And the point is that if we humans can willfully manipulate (via our imaginations) the stuff that the suns and planets are made of into anything we wish or desire within the inner-dimension of our own mind,...
...then why couldn’t a higher mind (an entity that we call “God”) do the same thing?
In which case, the ultimate point is that as we stand on the Earth and look out into the universe, we are viewing...
(from a “fetal” perspective)
...the extent to which the mental fabric of reality can be manipulated by a higher mind in the context of eternal life in the proposed transcendent level of existence.
**(Now I know what you might be thinking. You are thinking that our thoughts are just vague and ghost-like phantasms that seem to have no more substance than, perhaps, a weak beam of light.
However, that is not the case when we dream.
For when we dream, the phenomenal structures we experience inwardly seem to be almost as solid and real as the phenomenal structures we experience outwardly in the universe.
You just need to be open to the possibility that in the awakening we will undergo in our second and final birth at the moment of death...
[“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”]
...we will each acquire full-consciousness and full-control over the fabric of our minds.)
Now I realize that this all sounds pretty crazy. And I openly admit that I could be wrong.
Nevertheless, the bottom line is that the illustration I provided above seems to be a perfect representation of the old Hermetic axiom:
“as above, so below.”
Furthermore, if you reverse that axiom to read...
“as below, so above”
...you will notice how utterly “natural” this concept is, in that the “mammalian” feature of conceiving one’s own offspring “within” oneself, extends to the highest level of life and reality.
I assume you are talking about the teens mentioned in your earlier post to Tesla:
Well, first of all, let’s realize that sighing and eye rolling is not limited to school kids, for there are plenty of crusty old materialists on forums such as this who not only roll their eyes when it comes to the topic of God, but also mess their Depends.
Anyway, as to your question,...
(and keeping in mind that this “searching for God in a classroom” business was Tesla's idea and not mine)
...I would present it as is - as a theory (with support material, of course) while trying to dodge the spitballs and rotten tomatoes.
What else would I do?