Ferdi wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:34 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:40 pm
Ferdi wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:53 am
Holy Books allegedly inspired by God are in fact produced by indoctrinated humans.
Of course there are reasons why any religious believers will do whatever they deem their duty in spreading their beliefs and wave their Holy Books. We have a free will and are free to believe what we like but unfortunately, our surroundings influence our beliefs. Missionaries and Religious zealots may mean well but are subject to self-deluding indoctrination.
Re the days of birth and death, no one remembers their own birth, and one’s death is seldom of one’s own choosing; but times are changing!
This statement is indoctrinated by humans.
If you had free will, but your response was determined by my prior statement....how free is it?
Immortality through science, (assuming the "times are changing!" statement implies this.) has no proof and is probabilistic...thus given a long enough time line "death" plays out regardless.
Humans are self deluded....
Yes, each of us is a product of its environment, and there is no “if” about having a free will, other than it being constrained by one’s environment and applied by one’s ability.
As far as I’m aware, immortality is an abstract concept, not science. “Times are changing” about having a choice to legally end one’s own life.
“Self-delusion” is included in our free-will; thus self-inflicted, as distinct from indoctrination, which is naturally imposed by one’s environment.
Indoctrination is the when one party replicates its perspectives and knowledge through another (generally younger) party. This replication of forms, as knowledge is fundamentally "formal" in nature due to its inherent reliance on symbolism, is inevitable.
Indoctrination is primarily used as a negative term, justifiably, however for a generation to be taught "think for yourselves" is still being indoctrinated. Generally this type of indoctrination is appetite manipulation where the party (company advertising product) making a statement such as "Express yourself" or "eat better with (x)" is providing the means to do it.
Societal bonds results in a falsely imposed hierarchy where those who are dominant are those that can manipulate and control people's appetites. The larger the society the more complex the distractions. A small local town will have a lesser degree of entertainment and food than let's say New York or Hong Kong.
So indoctrination is primarily societal in nature as the replication of a specific way of life composed of different degrees of consumption. Consumption being grounded in a basic convergence and divergence dichotomy, like an input/output box, where different foods/types of work (arts) come in and are taken apart and put back together in a new variation. We see this with globalization having an effect on the synthesis of different types of food as well as arts of the various source.
The emphasis on "creative self expression" by deconstructing oldways and putting them back together is a dogma of the time, but is primarily a context of the time due to mass communication and speed of travel. With everything being condensed more and more due to this "connection" creative self expressive synthesis is a replication of the greater zietgiest into the individual as zietgeists are merging at a quicker rate than prior times.
So indoctrination is somewhat inevitable....for better or worse, usually both....