surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:35 pm
Age wrote:
Thee Spiritual Being the Mind obviously never dies as It exists ALWAYS
What is Thee Spiritual Being or the Mind and why can it never die but always exists
Thee Spiritual Being is just that thing, which is some times known as thee Spirit, or Allah, God, Enlightenment, et cetera. and far less known as thee Mind, which is ALWAYS Truly OPEN.
There is an OPEN Mind within EVERY one. If some one uses the OPEN Mind is a completely other matter. But this OPEN Mind ALWAYS exist because how could it be non existent?
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:35 pmDoes it take any physical form or does it simply exist as a concept and nothing else
Well I doubt it exists as concept only as It is the very thing that has allowed ALL human beings to learn, understand, and reason. The Truly OPEN Mind is also the very thing that human beings use to imagine and create absolutely any and EVERY thing that they have. The Truly OPEN Mind is also what allows ALL human beings to learn and understand any thing new. The Truly OPEN Mind has been within human beings since their inception into existence. The Truly OPEN Mind is WHY human beings keep "progressing", learning and discovering new things and moving forward.
So, although it is far more than just a concept and actually allows things to happen, as far as 'we', human beings, know when a human body is cut open, into as many pieces as liked, there is NO Mind to be seen with the physical eyes, so this suggest that it is non visible. But as far as it being in physical form, then that is some thing, which will have to be seen for ones' self soon enough, in the future. Think of the Mind as exactly like the thoughts (or the feelings) within a human body. They can not be seen with the physical eyes, but they certain have an effect on things. They can and do cause and create the body to move and behave in certain ways. Although both thoughts and the Mind are non visible they have an obvious impact on things.
Can any one learn some thing when they are closed to it. Or, do human beings learn BEST when they are OPEN.
Do 'you', human beings, in your terms, learn more with an "OPEN Mind" or with a "closed Mind"?
A Mind, which is Truly ALWAYS OPEN to any thing, surely exists. This is evidenced by absolutely EVERY thing new that has and is being created by 'you', human beings. The Mind exists as surely as thoughts and emotions do. Is there any doubt that thoughts and emotions exist?
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:35 pmCannot a mind be defined as the thoughts of a human being or do the words
thoughts of a human being have to be written out instead of just the words a mind
Why use five words when just two will do what is the reason for this if there is one
Firstly, 'you', human beings can do absolutely any thing and every thing that you so choose to do, including things.
Even you in your proceeding post wrote:
"... but this is just my opinion so I see no reason why non biological things like stars and planets cannot be regarded as alive also
if some one wishes to define them as such It all depends on how one defines alive but I am not defining it from any absolute perspective for it is just true for me"
which more or less says that any one can define any thing how they so choose to, which is exactly what having a Truly OPEN Mind allows you to do.
You are FREE to choose to do any thing, including defining any thing any way you like. So, a 'mind' can be defined any way you so choose to define it. It is completely up to you. However, if your choice of definitions are not fitting in perfectly with other things, and you are still wondering some things, then just maybe your choice of definitions could be rearranged just some.
Secondly, there was no need to go into asking if there is a need to write out five words when just two will do? From my perspective I would just use one word instead of two. I just use the one word 'thoughts' when talking about 'thoughts' AND I use the one word 'Mind' when talking about that thing within EVERY one, which allows them to imagine AND create.
So, 'you' are FREE to choose to use the two words 'a mind' to define 'the thoughts of a human being' if you so choose to do so.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:35 pmAnd are all human minds either part of or something truly separate from the Mind
Obviously if we are going to choose different definitions for the words we use when communicating with each other, then we are not going to get far in understanding each other.
If you are going to choose to use the word 'mind' as though there are many "minds", with each human being having their own "mind", then that is fair enough. But I can not answer your questions, from the definitions I use, and have you understand what it is exactly that I am saying and meaning.
I could, however, 'try' to answer your questions, from the definitions that you use, but I will not do this, as this will only continue the confusion, which 'you', human beings, find yourselves in now, when this is written.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:35 pmWhat is the actual connection between thoughts of all human beings and the Mind
Instead of saying 'thoughts of all human beings' and just asked the question; What is the actual connection between thoughts and the Mind, then the very short answer is; Thoughts are what come from the brain, which the brain gets its 'information' or 'knowledge' from the outside "world", from and through any or all of the five senses of the body.
Thoughts can be right and wrong, true or false, about things. Thoughts, literally, only think about things. Thoughts come from and will only be about what is already grasped within the brain. Thoughts are therefore limited in this sense. Whereas,
The Mind is Truly OPEN to absolutely any thing. Things can be LOOKED AT from the brain (and the already gained thoughts or thinking), which thus will only SHOW a prejudiced, skewed, distorted, limited and/or blocked view of things. Adults have had far more experiences than younger one so have far more knowledge/information to LOOK AT things from.
Or things can be LOOKED AT from a Truly OPEN perspective, without any prejudices, limiting factors like thoughts, et cetera. Younger ones, especially the very youngest of all have NO already gained knowledge or thoughts yet so just naturally LOOK AT things from this Truly 'wide-eyed', 'amazed', and 'wonderment' perspective of things. This LOOKING AT things FROM a Truly OPEN perspective is just LOOKING FROM thee Mind, whereas looking at things FROM an already pre-judiced, already "knowing", and already assuming perspective is just looking FROM the brain or FROM the already gained thoughts.
Thoughts, literally, only think 'they know what is right and wrong', whereas, the Mind does KNOW 'what is right and wrong'.
How thoughts and the Mind are actually connected is the more one is LOOKING FROM the Mind (which is ALWAYS OPEN), then the faster more new knowledge can be obtained, which then becomes thoughts. This is WHY it does NOT matter what place nor in what era a human body is born into the thoughts that come to that body come from that place and era because of the OPEN Mind. They are connected because thee OPEN Mind allows any and all thoughts to come about.
The connection is also of the upmost importance in what is about to come to be FULLY understood. Since thee Mind is God, Itself, in the spiritual sense, a Spiritual Being is absolutely hopeless, worthless, AND useless without physicality. The Spiritual Being is also nothing, in a sense, without an intelligent enough species to evolve into existence. The Spiritual Being or God is just Consciousness Itself, coming to KNOW THY-Self. This Being NEEDS a being, just like the human being, to uncover and reveal THY-Self through and from.
A machine as amazing as the human brain with its capacity to grasp and hold onto and store information and knowledge, like only the human brain can do, is where and WHY 'I', God, Itself, am becoming KNOWN, consciously. Consciousness is becoming aware of Its Self, through the thoughts within 'you', human beings. 'I', God, need the human brain, with its storage capacity to decipher in order to be able to SEE and UNDERSTAND the Universe, My Self, and HOW and WHY I am becoming WHO and WHAT I am meant to Be.
God, thee Universe AND Mind, needed 'you', human beings', and especially that Truly AMAZING human brain, to come/evolve into My Self, as much as 'you', human beings, needed 'Me', the Universe AND Mind, to come/evolve into your selves.