Plato was an atheist?
Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:38 pm
Hi, there, just wanted to know if Plato was an atheist. I tried searching on the net for the answer but did not find the answer so I came here.
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Short answer, no. Plato was the model for Christianity. The story about Plato was that his mother, Perictione, was visited by Apollo, Zeus's messenger, who becomes Gabriel in Christianity. She was a virgin, dontcha know? And if you want to see a resurrection story, look no further than the Myth of Er. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_Er It's at the end of his Republic, basically a handbook for how elites should lie to the hoi polloi to suppress them.slowthinker84 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 5:38 pmHi, there, just wanted to know if Plato was an atheist.
Well, then frig nose wot this 'God'\sage is on about re Christ to me - that He did.uwot wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:57 pmShort answer, no. Plato was the model for Christianity. The story about Plato was that his mother, Perictione, was visited by Apollo, Zeus's messenger, who becomes Gabriel in Christianity. She was a virgin, dontcha know? And if you want to see a resurrection story, look no further than the Myth of Er. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_Er It's at the end of his Republic, basically a handbook for how elites should lie to the hoi polloi to suppress them.slowthinker84 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 5:38 pmHi, there, just wanted to know if Plato was an atheist.
For all I know you're right atto, me old mucker. I've no idea whether Jesus the son of god walked the Earth; I don't think the evidence is very compelling, but I can't rule it out. As I said in another thread "Nothing is too wonderful to be true, if it be consistent with the laws of nature..." viewtopic.php?f=12&t=26657&start=15#p410774 The only thing I'm fairly certain of is that any conception of 'god' that was written when people thought the Sun goes round the Earth needs updating, particularly the piffling notions of 'infinity'.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:12 amTo me, it just seems this convoluted entity has been banging away at some message to us - perhaps while self constrained, for aeons.
Yes, I agree.. & Reality IS a Convoluted Apparition of the Truth!uwot wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 5:54 amFor all I know you're right atto, me old mucker. I've no idea whether Jesus the son of god walked the Earth; I don't think the evidence is very compelling, but I can't rule it out. As I said in another thread "Nothing is too wonderful to be true, if it be consistent with the laws of nature..." viewtopic.php?f=12&t=26657&start=15#p410774 The only thing I'm fairly certain of is that any conception of 'god' that was written when people thought the Sun goes round the Earth needs updating, particularly the piffling notions of 'infinity'.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:12 amTo me, it just seems this convoluted entity has been banging away at some message to us - perhaps while self constrained, for aeons.
About plato, f*ck knows, since we only know what he let Socrates and the boys have their say in the dialogues. And having read most of them I would say that Socrates was something of an average Joe western country agnostic. For the time probably something on the atheist side. The gods seems to the Greec people of those days to have been everywhere present, but he did not dwell overly much on them, more on how things works down here on these bitter fields of lamentation (loosely translated from scandinavian). I dont thing you should look in the Republic when analyzing this. It was an Ideal State, a thought experiment and a wild one too, as admitted by Soc himself. Better to look in other dialogues for his views that might reveal his religious believes.slowthinker84 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 5:38 pm Hi, there, just wanted to know if Plato was an atheist. I tried searching on the net for the answer but did not find the answer so I came here.
personally (BTW i do not respect Plato as a thinker - respect Aristotle and Socratise(sp) moreso (yes i know all we have of the latter's views mindset is via Plato), i thihk Plato was a Theist. prob a monethiest - Zeus being God. other gods being not actual Gods, but just mortals views of particualar gods (i.e. they erronously viewed them as outside entities,. instead of Zeus).slowthinker84 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 5:38 pm Hi, there, just wanted to know if Plato was an atheist. I tried searching on the net for the answer but did not find the answer so I came here.
why not rule it out via convention evidence of common man on the ground.
Because the evidence that Jesus was a common man is exactly the same evidence that he was the son of god. The fact that the same evidence, the NT, can be interpreted in completely different ways, just shows how good people are at making up stories. Some people make up stories starting from the premises: 'Jesus existed' and 'he was the son of god'. Others, like yourself, have played with the premises: 'Jesus existed' and 'he was not the son of god'. You can develop any number of valid arguments based on either of those options. Then there are those like yours truly, who start with premises we know to be true: 'There are stories about a character called Jesus' and 'people are good at making up stories'.
One of the easiest things in all of history to rule out. It's inconceivable that a god or son of god would have, among other things, a Chosen People in its itinerary as depicted in the OT with circumcision as signature to confirm the arrangement. I'm also certain the Jesus and his old man knew nothing of what was already scientifically understood by mere mortals in that period.
According to the presiding court, which sentenced him to death, he had been teaching radical ideas to youth, including atheism, which got him the chair.slowthinker84 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 5:38 pm Hi, there, just wanted to know if Plato was an atheist. I tried searching on the net for the answer but did not find the answer so I came here.
Rule 1: Rule out all other rules.
The thing is I'm not sure that believing that a man could walk on water is a problem. Certainly not in the way that attacks on abortion clinics, mosques and synagogues, homosexuals, progressive politicians etc are. Not to mention the fundamentalist dream of armageddon that could get us all killed if someone as bonkers as Trump, with the faith of Mike Pence, got anywhere near the White House. It's a moot point, but if you tell someone that everything they believe is a load of bollocks, yer kinda killed any chance of dialogue. On the other hand if you don't pull out the roots, you haven't killed the weed.