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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Logik » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:29 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:26 pm
Logik wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:25 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:20 pm


What a relativistic thing to say.
Is it?

How did you determine that?
Interpretation.
Of all possible interpretations why did you choose that one?

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by surreptitious57 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:12 pm

Logic wrote:
Why do you want to be pragmatic
Because it always works unlike its polar opposite [ ideology ] which only works when compatible with reality and so is not as effective
Pragmatism is the ability to exercise free will between all possible actualities and none other no matter how desirable those might be
And this is why I define myself as a pragmatist and not an idealist because every decision that I take has to be pragmatic by necessity

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:00 pm

Logik wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:29 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:26 pm
Logik wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:25 pm

Is it?

How did you determine that?
Interpretation.
Of all possible interpretations why did you choose that one?
Quality.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:02 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:12 pm
Logic wrote:
Why do you want to be pragmatic
Because it always works unlike its polar opposite [ ideology ] which only works when compatible with reality and so is not as effective
Pragmatism is the ability to exercise free will between all possible actualities and none other no matter how desirable those might be
And this is why I define myself as a pragmatist and not an idealist because every decision that I take has to be pragmatic by necessity
Last time I checked the formation of a tool required a dichotomy between ideological form/function and empirical form/function.

Most necessity requires a formation of choices between ideals of an obscure future carved in accordance to memory.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Logik » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:16 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:02 pm
Last time I checked the formation of a tool required a dichotomy between ideological form/function and empirical form/function.

Most necessity requires a formation of choices between ideals of an obscure future carved in accordance to memory.
So - no tools, no problems?

When shall we expect you to stop using this dichotomy called a computer?

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Logik » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:18 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:00 pm
Logik wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:29 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:26 pm


Interpretation.
Of all possible interpretations why did you choose that one?
Quality.
How did you decide it was the interpretation with the highest quality?

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:41 pm

Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:02 pm
Last time I checked the formation of a tool required a dichotomy between ideological form/function and empirical form/function.

Most necessity requires a formation of choices between ideals of an obscure future carved in accordance to memory.
So - no tools, no problems?

When shall we expect you to stop using this dichotomy called a computer?
Tools are a projection of our percieved problems, the problem is less the tool but the user.

As to the computer? When it's current means will cancel itself out.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:43 pm

Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:18 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:00 pm
Logik wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:29 pm

Of all possible interpretations why did you choose that one?
Quality.
How did you decide it was the interpretation with the highest quality?
The one which joins the observer/observer's through an inherent symmetry between subject and object; thus negating the subject-object dichotomy where quality effective is a sense of "joining" and acts as a means of measurement in itself.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Logik » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:48 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:41 pm
Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:02 pm
Last time I checked the formation of a tool required a dichotomy between ideological form/function and empirical form/function.

Most necessity requires a formation of choices between ideals of an obscure future carved in accordance to memory.
So - no tools, no problems?

When shall we expect you to stop using this dichotomy called a computer?
Tools are a projection of our percieved problems, the problem is less the tool but the user.

As to the computer? When it's current means will cancel itself out.
Language/logic is a tool. Why do you promulgate problems?

You are a computer...

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Logik » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:49 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:43 pm
Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:18 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:00 pm

Quality.
How did you decide it was the interpretation with the highest quality?
The one which joins the observer/observer's through an inherent symmetry between subject and object; thus negating the subject-object dichotomy where quality effective is a sense of "joining" and acts as a means of measurement in itself.
Why assume symmetry between subject and object?

What if the relationship is asymmetric?

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:51 pm

Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:48 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:41 pm
Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:16 am

So - no tools, no problems?

When shall we expect you to stop using this dichotomy called a computer?
Tools are a projection of our percieved problems, the problem is less the tool but the user.

As to the computer? When it's current means will cancel itself out.
Language/logic is a tool. Why do you promulgate problems?

You are a computer...
Last time I check modern computer's cannot deal with irrational foundations nor create axioms randomly.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:55 pm

Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:43 pm
Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:18 am

How did you decide it was the interpretation with the highest quality?
The one which joins the observer/observer's through an inherent symmetry between subject and object; thus negating the subject-object dichotomy where quality effective is a sense of "joining" and acts as a means of measurement in itself.
Why assume symmetry between subject and object?

What if the relationship is asymmetric?

Because all asymmetry requires a variation of a proceeding symmetry. I can argue that "B" is asymmetrical, effectively "odd", but if it is contains symmetrical elements A,C, then the asymmetrical property is in itself dependent upon asymmetry.

I can argue that a line projecting into space is asymmetrical, but if the line is composed of a fractals...it is not asymmetric. Assymmetry can be argued as symmetry adapting to chaos/void through variation and as such is an extension of symmetry and not a foundation in itself.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Logik » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:56 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:51 pm
Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:48 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:41 pm


Tools are a projection of our percieved problems, the problem is less the tool but the user.

As to the computer? When it's current means will cancel itself out.
Language/logic is a tool. Why do you promulgate problems?

You are a computer...
Last time I check modern computer's cannot deal with irrational foundations nor create axioms randomly.
Last time I checked “computer” was a human job title from the 1920s.

Alan Turing observer humans at work in order to formulate his theory of computation.

He abstracted the process. The piece of electronics on your desk is just an implementation of the Mathematics.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Logik » Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:55 pm
Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:43 pm


The one which joins the observer/observer's through an inherent symmetry between subject and object; thus negating the subject-object dichotomy where quality effective is a sense of "joining" and acts as a means of measurement in itself.
Why assume symmetry between subject and object?

What if the relationship is asymmetric?

Because all asymmetry requires a variation of a proceeding symmetry. I can argue that "B" is asymmetrical, effectively "odd", but if it is contains symmetrical elements A,C, then the asymmetrical property is in itself dependent upon asymmetry.

I can argue that a line projecting into space is asymmetrical, but if the line is composed of a fractals...it is not asymmetric. Assymmetry can be argued as symmetry adapting to chaos/void through variation and as such is an extension of symmetry and not a foundation in itself.
And I can argue that dots and lines are just a construct of your mind.

Show me a line or a dot in the real world.

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Re: All Problems are Rooted in Ideology and Intuition

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:20 pm

Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:56 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:51 pm
Logik wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:48 pm

Language/logic is a tool. Why do you promulgate problems?

You are a computer...
Last time I check modern computer's cannot deal with irrational foundations nor create axioms randomly.
Last time I checked “computer” was a human job title from the 1920s.

Alan Turing observer humans at work in order to formulate his theory of computation.

He abstracted the process. The piece of electronics on your desk is just an implementation of the Mathematics.
That exactly what it is a "word" or symbol representative the perspective of industrialization of its times. It is a temporal concept of the time, progressing

"from a Latin word “computare” which means to “to calculate” , “to count” , “to sum up” or “to think together”. So, more precisely the word computer mean s a "device that performs computation".

https://www.bing.com/search?q=origin+of ... 94B0529A29

Thus the nature of computing, observes laws of progressive movement which exist through but transcend the definition of and the act of "computing" itself.

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